Jesus wasn't good, how can he be God?!

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    "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."
    (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)

    I don't understand who can regard Jesus as God when he said this! :confused:
     
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    The young man was not regarding Jesus as God. Read this for a good explanation of that event:

    Jesus and a Rich Young Ruler

    AS JESUS goes on through the district of Perea toward Jerusalem, a young man runs up and falls on his knees before him. The man is called a ruler, probably meaning that he holds a prominent position in a local synagogue or even that he is a member of the Sanhedrin. Also, he is very rich. “Good Teacher,” he asks, “what must I do to inherit everlasting life?”

    “Why do you call me good?” Jesus replies. “Nobody is good, except one, God.” Likely the young man uses “good” as a title, so Jesus lets him know that such a title belongs only to God.

    “If, though,” Jesus continues, “you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.”

    “Which ones?” the man asks.

    Citing five of the Ten Commandments, Jesus answers: “Why, You must not murder, You must not commit adultery, You must not steal, You must not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother.” And adding an even more important commandment, Jesus says: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.”

    “All these things I have kept from my youth on,” the man answers with all sincerity. “What yet am I lacking?”

    Listening to the man’s intense, earnest request, Jesus feels love for him. But Jesus perceives the man’s attachment to material possessions and so points out his need: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”

    Jesus watches, no doubt with pity, as the man rises and turns away deeply saddened. His wealth blinds him to the value of true treasure. “How difficult,” Jesus laments, “it will be for those with money to enter into the kingdom of God!”

    Jesus’ words astound the disciples. But they are surprised even more when he goes on to state a general rule: “It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.”

    “Who, in fact, can be saved?” the disciples want to know.

    Looking straight at them, Jesus replies: “With men it is impossible, but not so with God, for all things are possible with God.”

    Noting that they have made a choice very different from that of the rich young ruler, Peter says: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.” So he asks: “What actually will there be for us?”

    “In the re-creation,” Jesus promises, “when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Yes, Jesus is showing that there will be a re-creation of conditions on earth so that things will be as they were in the garden of Eden. And Peter and the other disciples will receive the reward of ruling with Christ over this earth-wide Paradise. Surely, such a grand reward is worth any sacrifice!

    However, even now there are rewards, as Jesus firmly states: “No one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get a hundredfold now in this period of time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and fields, with persecutions, and in the coming system of things everlasting life.”

    As Jesus promises, wherever in the world his disciples go, they enjoy a relationship with fellow Christians that is closer and more precious than that enjoyed with natural family members. The rich young ruler apparently loses out on both this reward and that of everlasting life in God’s heavenly Kingdom.

    Afterward Jesus adds: “However, many that are first will be last, and the last first.” What does he mean?

    He means that many people who are “first” in enjoying religious privileges, such as the rich young ruler, will not enter the Kingdom. They will be “last.” But many, including Jesus’ humble disciples, who are looked down upon by the self-righteous Pharisees as being “last”—as being people of the earth, or ‛am ha·’a′rets—will become “first.” Their becoming “first” means they will receive the privilege of becoming corulers with Christ in the Kingdom. Mark 10:17-31; Matthew 19:16-30; Luke 18:18-30.


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    I couldn't find the answer to my question in there. :confused:

    And please don't quote from Matthews, it wasn't even written by Matthew, see this:
    Matthew 9:9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth.
    :confused:
     
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    My question is that Jesus said he wasn't good. But of course, God is good.
    So how can Jesus be God?
     
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    #5
    The book of Matthew starts out in 1:1 with "The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham". This book was written by Matthew in the third person. It does not say anywhere in this book things like "Jesus turned to me and said". This was an account of the life of Jesus according to Matthew. The three other gospels are written in the same way.

    The reason I posted what I posted was to get that scripture into its correct context. Thereby, supporting the fact that Jesus is not God.

    Col :)
     
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    Ok, my bad. I thought you were refuting it.
     
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    LOL....No way. In no way do I support the trinity doctrine. Can I ask, why do you think Matthew did not write the Book of Matthew? Is it because of that one verse in Matthew 9:9? Or do you have other reasons?

    Col :)
     
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    Yeah. I thought it due to this verse. Because its quite unlikely that out of twelve, two have the same name. But anyway, to be honest, I trust words of God only, not of followers.
    What religion are you?
     
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    This is the complete verse:
    9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him
     
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    Yes, check my earlier post (edited).

    You asked what religion I am. I am a Jehovah's Witness.

    Col :)
     
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    Ok.
    What do you believe?
     
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    #12
    Ummmm...that's quite a vague question. I mean, I could take that the wrong way and say I believe that steel is a type of metal or I believe I could not possibly count how many times I blink in a 24 hour day.

    Col :)
     
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    Jesus is not god, he is the son of god.
     
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    Is he? and where is the mother?
     
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    You mean Mary? Where is she? She's dead of course. You know, like buried. Where else could she be?

    Col :)
     
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    muhammad was a criminal and a rapist, how can he be a prophet?
     
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    ummm....I think you posted in the wrong thread mate!!

    Col :)
     
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    :D:D what about daddy? has he been seen recently?
     
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    Was he? who did he rape?
     
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    #20
    You mean the man who became to be Jesus' father by adoption? That would be Joseph. Jesus' real father is God. All according to the Bible of course.

    However, I think you are playing dumb here. You know it's what the Bible says but want to bait people in for an argument. Correct me if I am wrong here please.

    Col :)
     
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