So Ebolavirus is a part of Gods goodness? I'll sign up for eternal damnation over ebolavirus any day.
No. Suppose you made a robot, now if the robot becomes too intelligent and stop disobeying you and jumped from the roof top will you have any sympathy for it?
No.....LOL....that would be a disease from activities. That would be like saying God caused cancer. A wet fish for you Col
If you believe in god you must believe he created cancer. Otherwise it would be a flaw in his creation. Did he create it, Or is he flawed? They are the only two options.
It was not a flaw at all. Let's look at this. Adam and Eve were handed life on a silver platter. Life was VERY GOOD. No crime, no fear, varities in life. Adventures to be had, all from God's command "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth." Also, this command "“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.†Of course, we know Eve disobeyed and so did Adam. What was the result? They were no longer perfect. Their genes were no longer perfect. Many generations of offspring followed. Thousands even. Now, with this in mind, what happens when you make copies of something not perfect? You get copies less and less perfect from the original. Think about the amount of generations we are away from Adam and Eve. Hence, we have all sorts of diseases today, including cancer. Yes, many would say God caused cancer. But that would imply the wrong thoughts about God. There is nothing God can not right, for he is the creator of all things. One must understand the reasons why mankind has suffered this way. To give a hint, there's a scripture to read. The apostle Paul wrote it and it goes like this: "Therefore we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. 17 For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing weight and is everlasting; 18 while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting." (2 Cor 4:16-18). There are two angles from these verses: The things seen are temporary. Meaning that God will right these wrongs as far as physicality is concerned. The things unseen is about the spirit forces. There is God, Jesus, Serafs, Cherubs and myriads of myriads of angels. Also, there is Satan and his demons. Satan, Adam and Eve are the ones entirely to blame for what we suffer today. If they had been obedient just as God had asked, then all three would be with us today. Satan (would not have been called Satan if he did not disobey) of course, would be in heaven, overlooking the earth still and Adam and Eve would be alive today and talking to all of us. That was God's will back then and is God's will today and for the future. Oh. Nearly forgot. This is all according to what the Bible really teaches. Col
Colin your argument is weak, as per usual because it is based on your faith. Two things are happening here, 1. God lied to Adam and Eve. 2. God didnt know what would happen when they ate the fruit. Firstly, God is not supposed to have the ability to lie, his word is supposed to be truth. And secondly, god would have known what would happen if he had made the fruit, there is NO logic you can show to prove otherwise, god isnt the creator of all things afterall. Infact if you want to believe that god is the creator of all things then you must believe that god is the creator of all bad things aswell, including cancer, there is no other logical way to look at it, NONE. I love the way religious people can switch of to reality and blindly use thier faith to make themselves feel better, I only wish I could do the same, I'm sure I'd live a much happier life if it were based in a fairy tale ......
How exactly did God lie to Adam and Eve (careful here, you are heading into Bible territory.....you know...the book you think is a fairytale) Of course he did. He said they would did and they did. He does not lie, and his word is truthful to this day and beyond. Only if you believe in the Bible of course. You are saying my argument is weak, and here you are saying that "God isn't the creator of all things afterall", not long after saying God does not exist at all. I think I already covered this. hey...we are back to fairy tales again. Now who's switching what? Joe, we all get your point. You don't believe in God or that the Bible is God's word. Fair enough. Why are you still arguing about this? This thread is not aimed at you. It's aimed at religious people. Of course, you have every right to comment about these matters as has anyone else. However, I fail to see what your objective is. My objective is to show what the Bible really teaches. What's yours? Col
God said they would die, they didn't - that IS A LIE, theres no other way of looking at it, not logically anyway. He didn't, he said they would die, they didn't, he didn't know what would happen, it's so obvious I can't believe I'm having to explain it word by word to you. Yes he does. My posts are obviously confusing you because they are packed with sarchasm, I do not believe in any gods, nor that any gods created earth "god isnt the creator of all things afterall." = sarchasm, quite obvious sarchasm actually. Colin, you haven't "covered" it you skimmed over it with your eyes shut. I don't need an objective, if I see someone doing something in the street I don't like, you can bet you're bottom dollar they'll soon hear about it, same, someone said something I don't like, so you get to hear about it. It is all fairy tales colin, total and utter rubbish, and everytime I feel like voicing my opinion that's what I'm gonna do, if you're getting tired of defending the nonsense you believe in then don't fuckin defend it ......
What the hell is this crap? I asked you a simple question. I didn't asked to be preached at. Either god intentionaly created cancer or it's a result of him being flawed. Which is it?
Going by your post in this thread shows you can't handle complex thought. You can't ask loaded questions like that. Lawyers get flamed in court for asking questions like that. Have another read and think about it at least. Col
I can handle complex thought, I see where stox is coming from; it's a reasonable question, your only answers are backed up with parables and quotes and notions from the bible, but those things don't have any meaning to anyone who doesn't already believe it, so youre post might as well read blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
I refuse to be preached at. Just so you know, Any post that contains anything that even resembles a passage from the bible is going to be completely ignored. If you are unable to take part in discussions using words and opinions of your own then you probably shouldn't take part at all. Did god intentionaly create cancer or not?
On the contrary. My thoughts are my very own. The other thread you made assumptions about me that are completely wrong. You obviously think the same about me here too. Just for the record. I was not aiming the preaching at you. It's only for those who will listen. If you don't want to listen. Simply don't. There is no simple answer to your question. Why? If I say yes, you will say God is cruel. If I say no, you will say I am a liar. So, what is your point? What is your objective, other than harassing someone who is trying to teach what the Bible really teaches? Unless YOU are willing to learn more about God according to the Bible, then you will NEVER understand the answer to your question. Why are so many people scared of the Bible? According to Joe, it's just a book of fairytales. I am not going to get into a slanging match with you over this because nothing good will come of it. And this being a religious forum means I am on topic. So, if you want this discussion to be off-topic, well, you will have to talk to the moderators about that. Having said that. Hmmmmm....was any verses from the Bible used in this post??? Col
No one is scared of the bible, and it is a book of fairy tales, and you're wrong colin, the reason that we cannot understand your answers is because they do not make sense to a logical mind, and that's not an actual answer, when you ask a question, any question wether it be about faith or mathematics, the answer HAS to be logical to be accepted into the mind. The real reason you can't answer that question is because you dont want to admit that your faith has (a) flaw(s), just like everything else with religious people you'll do a lovely "allahs|gods|buddahs will" whitewash and try and forget about it, well guess what, your whitewash doesn't actually work, if you want to believe that your god is the creator of all you see then you MUST also believe he created a flawed reality, if you do not, then your faith isn't even a complete one, you're just picking out the parts that suit your own ends and ignoring all the problems with it.......... The objective here is we're trying to force you to give a straight answer to a question, only the answer is already set in stone, and NOT by us but by you, your faith dictates the answer to the question, and it's your faith stopping you from giving a straight answer.
It may not be simple for you, Because it kinda puts you in an awkward position. Is god cruel? Or did he unintentionally create something as devestating as cancer? And if he did unintentionally create it, Why not do something about it now? My point is to make you say where cancer came from without posting reems of irrlelivant text from a fairy story. See the trouble i have with the religious is that they like to post a lot of text telling us how great god is, But they have a very hard time answering simple questions.
I don't feel I am in an awkward position at all. The problem is you "refuse" to listen to reasoning. I avail some reasoning to you but you outright reject it because it stems from the Bible. Joe, in your mind my faith has flaws. In my mind it doesn't. There's no point in debating those facts. It's a "black versus white" issue and let's leave it at that. You are talking like you wrote the rules on how the mind works. Do you have certification for those rules? And, as far as the "no one is scared of the Bible". You should see how many people run when they get a glimpse of it....LOL Col
How can you avail reasoning when you are quoting from something i don't believe in. It's this circular logic of "god exists because the bible says so and the bible is true, So that proves god exists". You are talking to adults here, We don't fall for this nonsense. You have to answer questions like an adult using words and opinions of your own. I asked you a question and i asked for a simple answer. Did god create cancer?