What to do when client doesn't respond

Engineering? Totally different from business and scientific mathematics.

Don't make me think of you as an unsubstantial part of the mathematically-versed populace by assuming that I claimed to be capable of coming up with a system which would make me millions on a daily basis just by writing on my own! Totally out of whack, or at least for someone who can functionally apply mathematics in every discipline! Here's a crash course for you:

33333333.3 words per day, at the rate of $0.03, would make you earn $1000000 on a daily basis, and the volume of work you need to produce on a daily basis should be doubled in order to provide your business model with the highest probabilities of making that $1000000/day mark worth of net profits. So, you need to come up with 66666666.66 worth of words on a daily basis, and you can functionally claim to earn more than 60% of the amount you get from producing such volume of work on a daily basis. This is attainable since you just need to produce 133333.333 pages worth 500 words per page on a daily basis without compensating quality for fast turnaround, and, if you had 16666.6666 people writing for you which is attainable in places such as my country where the unemployment rate of 45% in direct relation to the literary proficiency rate of unemployed people here worth 75% provide you with enough resources to do this because 80% of these people own computers and reliable internet connectivity at their homes. You can then assure the quality of their daily work by providing them with 4-page daily quotas per day together with assigning a team of editors and manpower specialists since paying your proficient writers 25% of the $0.03/word rate is a lucrative offer in countries where the purchasing power of this monetary unit is 80% higher than the country where it is produced and used, and you have another 15% to spare from the gross profits you gain from producing such a daily volume of work since you just want 60% of the gross income because you should incorporate socialist ideals on all your capitalist ventures. To reiterate myself in order to make you grasp the reasons behind my claims of this production rate as being highly probable and workable without being too much of a burden for you as the "businessperson", you don't need a large physical establishment to do this because you would need your employees to use their own resources since you pay them good money which is even higher than the minimum wage rates of professionals in my country.

Anyway, thanks for proving me right in every aspect by sending out your subjective comments without any sense of objectivity regarding my posts on this thread together with my other posts on this forum. I suggest you try working on functionally integrating accurate mathematical concepts on everything you do.

Kind Regards,

ZeroInfinity

 

It doesn't. As you can see I've already apologized to Zac for hijacking his thread, and sent him a personal PM as well.

But I'm not going to sit here and neglect to defend myself against someone who blatantly insults my intelligence.

 

That's the beauty of communication - you get a conversation which morphs into an entirely different perspective about the initial subject matter. Most often than not, it becomes more interesting as the conversation progresses into a state wherein it becomes a learning process for all concerned parties.

I always believe making millions on a daily basis can be done by anyone in general, but making it an interesting adventure is a totally different scenario, and I hold on to this dream since I help disabled people here in my country because I myself am totally blind. Disabled people here are technically-versed in the sciences and the IT industry, and 90% of these people are unemployed but 90% of them are good writers. I'm a nice guy, you know, but I hold on to what I do best since it's the only thing I can do because I have nothing to lose, anyway. Through this thread, I thank each and every single person who all made this such an interesting conversation - I needed this to relieve some of the pressure I get from managing my business, and, by the way, I now have 8 writing teams collectively worth 38 writers and 12 editors plus 3 manpower specialists, 40% of which are disabled but highly skilled, so I could probably say I just need a couple of thousands more in order to kickstart the first few phases of my dream.

Regards,

ZeroInfinity

 

lol Actually, engineering IS scientific mathematics... again, just displaying how little you know. Actually, mathematics is mathematics. It doesn't change based on the discipline. Considering I have a degree in the business arena, I'm quite well-versed in business math btw... again, you're jumping to ridiculous conclusions instead of knowing what you're talking about going into a conversation.

I had a feeling you weren't a native speaker... your English demonstrates that. Unfortunately your posts come across as being based in one of those ESL programs that focuses on a formality not used by the vast majority of native English speakers (which in turn makes you look like a joke). Not your fault... just how you learned I suppose. What a shame that you think you're writing in even remotely effective English though. If you want to write for an English-speaking audience, you need to learn how to do that, because you're just not grasping it.

Any client in their right mind wouldn't pay you $.03 / word for sub-standard English content coming from thousands of subcontractors rather than yourself, when they can get better, more personal service from writers who can actually write appropriately for an English-speaking audience (including many in other countries who are simply better at knowing how to communicate in English writing). And of course, if you're really hiring thousands of non-native-English speaking writers, I certainly hope they can write more effectively than you can (or at least what you're demonstrating on this forum... keeping in mind that how you post will very directly affect who hires you and who doesn't).

Frankly, it's not even worth arguing with you. You're never going to get it. You're never going to have 16,000+ writers working for you (again, just by actually researching your own business practices here on the forum). In your master financial plan, it's of course quite convenient to see how you've neglected all of the startup capital needed to secure such a large writing and editorial team, nonetheless a marketing budget to bring in enough of a workload to keep that number of writers constantly supplied with assignments. And keep something else in mind.... just because you think those in your country are "good writers" doesn't mean they actually are, in reference to the audience that their writing has to appeal to.

At this point, I feel like I'm arguing with a kid who can't even argue effectively in the medium they're choosing to operate a business in. So go ahead... get your last word, pretend to know how to make millions every day, and keep on dreaming that you're actually living that life as opposed to knowing anything about real-world business. In the meantime, I'll keep helping writers who are worth my time and willing to actually learn.

And for the record... almost all of us here are "nice" people. Just don't come on board lashing out with insults towards a professional and quality writer, and expect to have it left at that.

 

Bravo, Jenn! You've said everything I could have said and more.

 

Engineering is applied mathematics which makes it different from scientific mathematics - you can't use functional values of zero and infinity on engineering since the technological discipline is restricted to the existing physical laws of the universe. I have a Ph.D in Scientific Mathematics together with an MBA, so you're not talking to a kid who doesn't know anything about the "real business world" - you're talking to someone who has just attained a 1200% positive growth output within the past 2 months.

Using a language as a secondary language makes it virtually grammatically accurate since you need to strictly adhere to the technical aspects of the language. The next thing you have to do is to integrate the different styles involved in both the written and verbal form of the language. I generally write and speak using the style which is prevalent on my posts, but I can integrate even mixed cultural utilization of the English language on any project.

In order for me to stop informing others about the truth as I see it, you should also put a halt on your subjective comments. Stick with a certain level of objectivity which would help others see you as someone who cannot incorporate mathematical principles in order to come up with educated theories instead of subjective assumptions.

Don't kill the dream - the most fundamental principle of business. If you're indeed well-versed in the "real business world", how could you miss such a simple element? I do hope you keep on helping people regardless of the level of results you could offer them, and don't restrict yourself from only helping others who can't help themselves.

Regards,

ZeroInfinity

 

False Assumption 1 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: Most of my clients ONLY come from this forum.

False Assumption 2 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: My posts on this forum reflect the entire operational business structure I use.

False Assumption 3 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: I would unwittingly inform the general public about my actual " master financial plan".

False Assumption 4 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: I would unwittingly post on this forum my actual business practices.

False Assumption 5 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: Labeling the content my writers produce as "substandard" without any logical presentation (just based this claim from the "non-native English speaker" concept).

False Assumption 6 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: The education my country provides when it comes to the English language is below par with the education offered by your country. This statement is self-explanatory of downright stupidity which can be mistaken for ignorance.

False Assumption 7 Solely Based from Uneducated Processing of Written Information: My writers together with myself cannot write for the English-speaking audience - totally out of whack since I just can't seem to write something you can functionally understand despite simplifying the concepts on my prior posts straight down to your level of reasoning, accusations integrated on your statement "jumping to ridiculous conclusions instead of knowing what you're talking about going into a conversation" when you in fact just can't seem to grasp my level of reasoning probably due to my relentless compliance with the mathematically scientific process of analysis which would be beyond your own mental faculties despite "studying" engineering, and your claims of being a writer proficient enough to write for the English-speaking audience when you in fact end your sentences with "in" and "to" - formalizing the level of your education when it comes to writing and fundamental reasoning.

Regards,

ZeroInfinity

p.s. Didn't they teach you the basic set of fundamental differences between science and technology back at the old engineering institution? Were they too busy that they missed intensively educating you on the fundamental definition of scientific mathematics? Haven't you heard about old Al's work which fundamentally changed mathematics, or was it just too much for you?

 

Well, I was going to post about my success at getting a response money from the one person who never paid me, but that looks like a waste of time.

 

I did my undergraduate degree in what we called 'pure' or 'theoretical' mathematics, unsullied by the need to be useful in some way. What I was taught was that mathematics itself doesn't change. What we called 'applied math' was math that had been tied to some useful purpose, and it was a subset of 'pure' mathematics. Things like 'business math' or 'technical math' are not different, but a subset of 'theoretical' math. Neither deals with the beauty of a non-Eucilean universe, for example. These applied versions are not different, but simply parts of the whole world of mathematics.

 

Stilloutthere, that's definitely not a waste of time. I'm happy to hear that!

Zero, you are making a huge mistake by insulting not just one respected member on this forum, but two members. Let it rest. It's obvious that you have some sort of agenda against people who don't agree with you.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

 

It is but an action-reaction scenario - basic Newtonian principle... you usually get something of the same degree from initially doing something similar to what you'll get... I rest my case, and I apologize for my attitude - sticks and stones may break my bones, but harsh words always tend to break my heart...

 

ZeroInfinity - Please stop posting in this thread, I have reported you to the moderators. If you have a quarrel with someone, take it to the PM's.

DeniseJ- thanks for the PM, no apology really needed. You weren't the aggressor in the situation. Same for jhmattern, I'm not really directing this towards you either.

stilloutthere - I'd like to hear your story!

As an update, the customer now wants me to do more work for them, and said everything was just a big misunderstanding. I PM'ed the customer back and they haven't responded so I don't know what to think of it. jhmattern, I'm PM'ing you of my progress

 

If you do continue work in this particular case, do you plan to ask for payment up front? If not, do be sure to have the payment terms and due dates outlined in writing beforehand... this way they can't simply prevent you with excuse after excuse. Knowing the history, I'd even work in a sort of penalty if the payment is late to dissuade them from stating something similar as the first time, especially if their payment explanation may not have been true.

 

I second the motion to hear the story. Anything else but this pointless rambling on is a welcomed change.

Zac, make sure you learn from your mistakes. While it might all be a big misunderstanding (they do happen), that shouldn't change your mind on how to handle things.

Fine, the client messed up. They admitted it. Move on. If you're going to work together still, that's okay too. Just tell the client that payment up front is now required. If that won't work, oh well.

Good luck with the client.

 

Charge upfront to cover your efforts. Never belittle the client and make it look like he made an honest mistake.

Do business with him if he mends his ways or dump him instantly.
Aggravating your losses may not be a smart move.

 

Hi Zac,

I have the exact same situation (to a certain degree.) The only client who never paid, suddenly reappeared, paid up and started talking about more work.

It was amusing at best, but I told him I'd love to work with him again....as soon as I saw payment upfront.

He might actually be serious as he also referred another client to me as well (who had no problems paying upfront.)

Sometimes it's worth a gamble to request payment upfront. Even 50% can make a deal more solid for both parties, and you can slowly work up to 100% upfront.

Rebecca

 

Internet author, congrats on that, you don't hear those stories so often.

Zac, I hope the answer hasn't been given already but I kind of got lost in the mush there...how have things turned out? I am finding myself in a bit the same pickle and am curious. It seems I screwed myself over by not setting a deadline, the client was all about the "no rush" thing, that was in April. Now its done and I am not getting email responses....They are travel articles I can probably sell again, however....I just hate that my generally savvy sense was off with this one.

 

I e-mailed. I PM'd. Then I sent one last PM. Pay me within 24 hours or I'll give bad i-Trader. I also explained that if he offers to pay for an original example and doesn't use it, he still owes me money. Now, the guy claims it was my persistence. No apology for not paying. He seemed to feel that stiffing me was worth a try.