Which Prophet fulfilled these prophecies?

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  1. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #21
    I was going to correct you on that, but someone beat me too it.

    The information you get is so dated, "it is so like the 80's man..." I am talking about the 1680's :D
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #22
    Hopefully will clarify something here, it isn't following Paul. Paul did a great job of pointing to Jesus Christ. I have yet to meet one person who worships Paul.
     
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    #23
    Like loving someone of another religion?? Or being raped by Some pervert??


    And let alone the Bible, you are such an idiot that you have no idea about any religion including your Islam!!!
     
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    #24
    I think he is an terrorist preacher out to disrupt communal harmony

    as they do not like Peace!
     
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  5. KalvinB

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    #25
    "mischief in the land" is a direct quote from the Koran in context of what the death penalty applies to.

    It is then up to the islamic scholars and leaders to define what consitutes "mischief in the land"

    With vague laws like that in their own "holy" book it's no wonder they murder so many people.
     
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    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #26
    well the more of there own guys the bump off, the better huh? i just feel the west should do more to protect the women, like offer them instant Asylum and new identities here in the west if they can get here.
     
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  7. Ahmad_Malik

    Ahmad_Malik Peon

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    #27
    John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son,
    1 John 5:7 (KJV): For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    John 3:16 (RSV): For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son,
    1 John 5:7 (RSV): And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

    See the difference? Now I ask you, which one is a fabrication and why?


    The verse refers to the event of the first revelation upon him. Go ask even a little Muslim kid and he'll tell you what happened to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the first revelation.

    If he was Godforbid, all that you say, then why did the Arabs started following him and even Aisha spent all her life teaching people about the wonderful charachter of Muhammad (PBUH)? Also, Aisha never ever mentioned that they ever entered a physical relationship, let alone at the time they were married!

    Out of context? What about this:

    John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

    Read the others too in context and you'll know what it means.

    I never said that Christians worship Paul. I said that Jesus never claimed divinity. He repeatedly said that "Your Lord is only ONE" and "My Father is greater than and greater than all". Its Paul who mislead Christians. Moses (PBUH) never mentioned that God has a son! And the verse you quote from Mathews doesn't prove anything.
    Also don't judge Islam by what people do and say, but from what Allah and his last Prophet say.
     
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  8. Ahmad_Malik

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    #28
    Don't point out to me what people are doing in the name of Islam. Tell me what the Quran tells them to do.

    The Quran allows Muslim men to marry women from Jews and Christians because they are People of the Book ie people given revelations from Allah. The rest is what people do, not what Islam tells them to do!
    And read all I quoted and find out for yourself which prophet fits into all the prophecies including the one from the Vadas that is thousands of years old!
     
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  9. alaska88

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    #29

    sharia law might seem harsh to you but they are conditions to it, and dont you think that there will be less crimes in Europe and the USA if we applied it?
    PeOple would think Twice before commiting a muder/rape or mugging, don't you think so?
     
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    #30
    Uhh!! Only when they agree to convert and accept Islam...

    And what about Mulsim girls wanting to marry hindu/jew/christian boys?
    You stone them to death..

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. alaska88

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    #31
    A muslim woman can marry a non muslim but he has to become a muslim.
    A muslim man can marry a non muslim but she has to be a believer.
    Talking about stonning, let's say a paedophile who killed and abused loads of children has been caught what would you want to do to him?
     
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    #32
    Yeah, thats my fucking point.. everyone has to be Muslim... As if other religions dont exist...:rolleyes: So much for a religion of peace....
     
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  13. alaska88

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    #33

    no you are wong, a muslim can maryy a non muslim and she does not have to be a muslim. the reason being: if they have children they will have the religion of the father not the mother, that's why men have to be muslim.
     
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    #34
    You are comparing two different translations, not the original text...also, since you were not around when the original text was written, how do you know it was a fabrication? Did your false prophet/pedophile mo' tell you?

    considering your false prophet mo knew about this before he had his false revelations, don't you think he could have claimed it was about him? I could look at the revelations in the old testament and claim they are about me, but that doesn't mean I am right....

    Arabs followed him because he used a "Follow or Die" principle...just look at how quick islam took over the arab world, and the fact that they are still the cause of alot of violence in the name of God (just look at the recent actions in and around israel!)...Yes, Christians are violent to, but they quit proclaiming that it was in the name of God hundreds of years ago...

    Thats Jesus talking...now how is it out of context? While on Earth, Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, so yes, he would have and did pray to God. He also sent the Holy Spirit, which proceeds from both of them, in that all three are 1.

    Moses didn't know God was going to come to earth himself, because God never told moses that. So how would he know and whats the relevance of it? Jesus said "The Father and I are one." How does that not prove anything? You are the one trying to take a completely random verse from the old testament and prove it is about mohammed, even when it doesn't mention mo's name. Jesus says flat out that he and the Father are 1. What is the difference? Your Imam has brainwashed you so that you do not know fact from fiction...remember if you say a lie enough, you think it becomes fact, even when it doesn't...

    Your prophet is false and stole everything he ever (said) he came up with...he is a false prophet only interested in violence and marrying 9 yr old girls.
     
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  15. Ahmad_Malik

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    #35
    Different translations? You kidding me? There is a hell of a difference between begotten son and just son!
    And how are these two different translations of the same text?
    1 John 5:7 (KJV): For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    1 John 5:7 (RSV): And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

    What? Do you know that the Bible was translated for the first time in Arabic around 900 A.D.?

    Lol! Do you mean to say that a single man started to preach a religion in the land of people as ignorant and violent as the Arabs? And he succeeded?

    Fully human and fully divine? Thats what you and Paul say. Jesus said this:
    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know

    Now THIS is out of context! Read the previous ten verses and you'll know that Jesus was talking that he can give life to whom he can to whom he wills (with the help of God and this miracle is mentioned in the Quran even). And God can give life to whom he wills. And no man can take these powers away. And that is why they are one! In purpose, that is! If I say that I am a doctor and my father is a doctor and I say we are one, that doesn't make us one in person! That just makes us one in purpose ie doctors!

    His marriage was ordered by God. You still aren't able to answer the fact that Aisha spent all her life teaching people about Muhammad's (PBUH) examplary character.
    Furthermore, are these teachings of a violent person?
    - Treat your slaves equal to yourselves.
    - Men and women have equal rights in the society.
    - Give away 2.5% of your wealth to charity every year.
    - Don't force girls into marriage
    - Don't bury girls alive
    - Never be the first to offend
    - Treat POW's like your brothers
    - Don't hurt children, women and the elderly in war.
    - Don't loot or destroy places of worships of any kind in war
    - Never backbite.
    Want me to continue?
     
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    #36
    No! It is not compulsory for her to be a Muslim!
    And girls are not allowed to marry for several reasons. Like one of them is that the man can later oppress her and force her not to follow Islam.
    Stoning to death is the punishment for fornication and adultery, not marrying a non-Muslim! And this punishment is for the men even! EQUALLY!
     
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  17. Libertate

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    #37
    Let's not beat around the bush. The reason a woman does not have to be a muslim is because she is not consider to be a full person.

    She is a property under islam. How can you make your chair muslim?

    As for stoning - I have only seen women and girls stoned. Never a man. Never. Give me a freakin' break. It is legal to marry for 30 minutes under islam. Why? So you can get a hooker.

    So don't try to explain away what is and isn't. Sounds like you have a wish that islam was a non-confrontational faith. The problem is, islam is based and built on nothing else but confrontation.

    If you are a good muslim your are mandated either to subjugate non-muslims or kill them. Those are your two options. Refuse that and you should be stoned... ... Where do you happen to live?
     
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    #38
    If I start on the rights of women in Islam, it would be so long that you eventually wouldn't bother reading it! Trust me, I'm a guy but the rights and position Islam gives to women makes me jealous!

    Nope. Islam regards marriage as a very sacred relationship. And the worst thing to do is to divorce. And furthermore, divorce isn't that simple either. There are several stages in which th society has to play a role in the reconciliation of the couple.
    But you're right. There are many Muslims who do a lot wrong and say it is in the name of Islam and that is why you have that impression. I can give you a whole lot of ways in which Muslims deprive women of their rights which is against Islam!

    Nope. Again what Muslims do in the name of Islam. Islam forbids all sorts of violence except in retaliation to those who fight them or those who drive them out of their own land. I'm from Pakistan.
     
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    #39
    Ahmad, you are either a blind-deaf-mute, very shelter person, or a liar.

    Don't try to BS about women's right. I am not some suburbanite, 1.5 kid, Lexus driving, trophy-wife owner, white picket-fence, give me my credit card, panem et circenses metrosexual man.

    I drank wine with muslims in Karachi and watched them go off, drunk, with hookers. I seen the same in Afghanistan, Iraq, Oman, Qatar, and UAE. I was always impressed, how while I was still nursing a headache, they were ready for the morning prayer.

    There is a huge difference what is written, and what reality is.

    As for divorce -- "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"... Done. Oh, you haven't read? The faithful were instructed, "please.. don't text message divorce notices, that is so not cool"...

    It is not an "impression". I seen it with my own eyes, and experienced it first hand.
     
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    #40
    Again you are quoting everything that Islam forbids strictly but the Muslims are doing. Alcoholism too. There are people doing much much worse things than what you know. I know. I live in Pakistan. I've seen things. They are the sinful Muslims, gone astray and have forgotten the teachings of Islam. That makes me sad too.
    Divorce, divorce, divorce is one of the sickest things they do. And Islam is against it!
     
    Ahmad_Malik, Jun 16, 2007 IP