What will the infidels be missing out in paradise?

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  1. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #101
    In the Bible, both people got stoned. It was an equal opportunity punishment. The NT speaks about adulterers going to hell both the man and the woman.

    In Islam, only the woman gets punished.

    You may consider the Bible a bit harsh in the punishment (not accounting for the mercy which takes away the punishment which isn't available in Islam) but it is not sexist in judgement.
     
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  2. suitsme

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    #102
    Is getting raped by suicide bombers for eternity, supposed to be heaven for the virgins and boys too?
     
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  3. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #103
    Think of it this way, in heaven they'll all be Brad Pitt * 100. If you were a woman getting "raped" by Brad Pitt * 100 would you really complain?

    Islam makes sense if you're willing to toss aside all reason and logic.
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #104
    Maybe that is their hell?
     
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  5. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #105
    yea thats what i meant, but the stoning stopped a long time ago even if it is still in the book, thats where Islam fails to evolve, and can only keep women under fear of death.
     
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  6. SirPsychoSexy

    SirPsychoSexy Well-Known Member

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    #106
    Samantha, i'm a single young guy looking for my ideal woman. Will you marry me?
     
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  7. sawz

    sawz Prominent Member

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    #107
    and kill their women they do, on a regular basis. if they kill enough, maybe islam will disappear along with there wacked out beliefs.
     
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  8. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #108
    i'm lesbian, cuts ya nuts off and tell me when it's healed

    they target the children in iraq with the suicide bombers now, because children are less protected and have the least fear because they dont understand, nor can they report anything that they see wrong.
     
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  9. krakjoe

    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    #109
    I wonder what the Muslim punishment is for being a lesbian, or is there one, I wonder if any mulsim woman has ever actually had the balls to say "I quite fancy her" ........
     
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  10. alaska88

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    #110

    you are wrong even in islam the man gets stonned.
    Given the above, it is to be noted that the punishment specified for an unmarried person guilty of fornication in the Shari`ah is 100. In the very beginning of Surat An-Nur, it is stated that: (The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment) (An-Nur 24: 2).

    As for the punishment specified in the Shari`ah for the married adulterer or adulteress, it is stoning to death. In the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence, we read the following:

    Ibn Qudamah wrote: “Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact stoning to death is a specified punishment for married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars...”
     
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  11. Thiagoo

    Thiagoo Peon

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    #111
    ROFL, this post looks like rich jerk spam e-mails hahaha, he usually starts it with:

    Dear looser,

    Also, he tells how much his life is good and how cool he is on 80% of it.


    Btw, is this thread a joke right?
     
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  12. alaska88

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    #112
     
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  13. alaska88

    alaska88 Peon

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    #113
    Islam emphatically forbids this deed [homosexual sex] and prescribes a severe punishment for it in this world and the next. How could it be otherwise, when the Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings be upon him) said: ‘Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut, kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’ (At-Tirmidhi: 1376) That is, if it is done with consent."


    The scholars of Islam, such as Malik, Ash-Shafi`i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried.



    There is no doubt that this act, which goes against the pure human nature created by Allah, by making men content with men and women with women, destroying families, adversely affecting the birth rate, causing the spread of killer diseases, harming the innocent when children are raped, and generally spreading corruption on earth, should be uprooted and stamped out."

    Thinking of the wisdom behind prohibiting homosexuality and lesbianism, the following can be said:

    First, such acts lead to the spread of passivity among the young generation and destroy their morality, since they cannot practice such perversion except after taking some drugs to create for themselves a virtual atmosphere where they feel fake joy. Sufficient unto any person to feel that his manhood is lost.

    Second, it destroys the lives of women whose husbands leave them in pursuit of this perversion and they, in turn, try to find a way to satisfy their sexual needs. In such case, the whole society will be no more than chaos.

    Third, it is a fierce attack on progeny and pregnancy, which increases the human race.

    Fourth, the dangerous diseases that are caused by it are unavoidable and fatal. Topping these illnesses is HIV/AIDS.

    It is because of all these things that Almighty Allah prohibited homosexuality.

    Lesbianism

    As for lesbianism, it is also no more than a perversion and an attack against the natural relation between a man and a woman.

    There is no certain punishment for lesbianism. Still, disciplinary punishment is there for any perverted person who commits it. The Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence states:

    "Muslim jurists agree that there is no certain hadd (punishment) for lesbianism. However, they agree that disciplinary punishment should be administered since it is a sin."

    Such an act spoils the doer's character and make her testimony unacceptable, as stated in the above named encyclopedia:

    "Muslim Jurists agree that a witness should be morally sound. A pervert cannot be taken as a witness. Since lesbianism is an act of perversion, a lesbian cannot be a witness. Even with the jurists not declaring this openly, it can still be understood from their words and conditions."
     
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  14. mariush

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    #114
    Yeah, alaska88, if you think like this, women and men should also be stoned to death if they use condoms or other contraceptives, because they're "destroying families, adversely affecting the birth rate".

    Or would you rather have your woman have babies like rabbits?

    Face it, the world we live now is not the same as the world thousands of years ago. You can have pleasure without aids and other diseases, without affecting anyone else besides you and your partner and so on. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's possible.

    You're quoting:

    "Muslim jurists agree that there is no certain hadd (punishment) for lesbianism. However, they agree that disciplinary punishment should be administered since it is a sin."

    Who are they to decide or who decided it's a sin? I mean seriously, what can possible happen to 2 women kissing each other? They won't get pregnant, no one is affected besides them and so on.

    I'd rather believe that those laws about woman not having sex with other men were written in order to REDUCE the number of the population, because in the Arabic region, full of desert and little water, it's maybe harder to sustain lots of souls.

    But considering only births, we should also stone to death nuns and priests because they don't get married and have children, reducing the population.

    It's just plain stupid.
     
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  15. krakjoe

    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    #115
    So what all homosexuals are drug addicts now ??

    Since when has the qu'ran given any compassion to how women feel ?? never thats when.

    So what ?? what does that matter ??

    That's pure ignorance, the HIV is not caused by homosexuals, a hetrosexual can catch aids from a person that has never engaged in a homosexual relasionship, aids is not even a problem made by mankind, it's come from the animal kingdom.

    Really, then why is it millions of people on earth every day engage in homosexual relasionships, if he really was "almighty" lets see some of that might shall we ?? No, actually we won't and you know why, it's not Allah that prohibits these things, its actually your small mindedness doing that.

    Surely muslims must see by now that thier faith needs to change in order to survive, if you want to be treated as equals then you should behave like them, this business of getting your laws from books that are hundreds and hundreds of years old has to stop, it's no way to behave.
     
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  16. kafer

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    #116
    Please don’t hijack this thread. This is about the pleasures in paradise (Water, Milk, honey, Wine etc..) as described in the Quran and tradition. So get your hell out of here!
     
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  17. krakjoe

    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    #117
    Your hell, I don't believe in hell, if your noticing that it's hard to have a conversation about islam without violence being involved thats not any forums fault now is it......
     
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  18. lorien1973

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    #118
    I don't think lots of people need a long conversation about being serviced by handsome boys in the afterlife.
     
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  19. The Webmaster

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    #119
    Yesssss lets talk about Wine and 72 pairs of Boobies!!!
     
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    #120
    its white wine...for 72 virgin grapes....at least that is the translation I have seen...sucks for those that think they are getting women...btw, what do the women get? Oh yeah, its a male dominated blame women first islamic society, so they get the death penalty and nothing else...
     
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