Who is a true Christian here?

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  1. EasyMarketer

    EasyMarketer Well-Known Member

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    #81
    I dont give it to my church anymore, I find ways to make it do good for people I actually see.
     
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  2. grandad

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    #82
    Don't know where you get that from!
    The copy I have (1969 Kingdom Interlinear) shows the following translation of John 1:1:-
    "In the begining the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God"
    The Greek word translation for 'God' is not the same as the word translation for 'god', hence the literal translation is shown as "In the begining was the Word, and the Word was toward the God, and god was the Word".

    The bible frequently uses the lesser, general, term 'god' with reference to spirits and even some humans.

    Similarly the Emphatic Diaglott, (based on Vatican Manuscript 1209 in the Vatican Library), by Benjamin Wilson translates the Greek as, "In a begining was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word."

    The Word, of course refers to Jesus, as the Jerusalem Bible confirms, "The Word was made flesh, he lived among us, and we saw his glory, the glory that is his as the only Son of the Father, (hence not the Father!), full of grace and truth."

    Of course this translation is entirely correct as shown by translations of verse 18 of the same chapter:-

    "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (King James)
    "No one has ever seen God; it is the only Son, who is nearest to the Fathers heart, who has made Him known". (Jerusalem Bible)
    "No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him." (New American Standard)

    If no man has seen God at any time, how could Jesus be God when he walked among men, talked with them, healed and resurrected them?

    The insistence of some in saying that 'Jesus is God' is merely an extension of the ancient pagan practice of worshiping triune (three-in-one) gods - never did Jesus declare himself to be Gods equal, rather he declared himself to be Gods Son, created by God (only-begotten) and hence not equal, (the created thing cannot be equal to its creator!). He prayed to God, directed his followers to God and died so that he could lead men to God, (interesting scenario if Jesus was God and Jesus was dead!).
     
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    #83
    You are not being honest. You know I did not get it from the Watchtower, I got it from Christian theology. :)
     
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    #84
    I am being completely honest!

    What you said was:-
    That is simply not true as my quotation directly from the book in my previous post shows:-

    If you are going to quote from something at least try not to miss-quote it to completely change the words!
     
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    #85
    Good points there but you are wasting your time. Many people have there blinkers on an refuse to see it.

    Col :)
     
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    #86
    I find the blinkers comment too funny. Not sure what blinkers are where you live but a blinker here is what flashes on a car to tell someone if you plan to turn left or right.

    In the U.S. we say blinders on if I am understanding what you are trying to say. Blinders are put on a horse so they can only see in front of them.


    The watchtower is a perfect example of blinders, keeping people looking one direction and not to question those in authority.
     
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    Acts 9:17-19
    17So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19and taking food, he was strengthened.


    Yep, not like most religions ... why look to the direction of God's Word and submit to His authority?
    It's a liberated world, who needs to look to God for guidance and direction, after all look what a peaceful secure and happy world we all live in thanks to doing it our way!
     
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    #88
    Please tell me this? Exactly who is in authority in our organization? As far as I am concerned, the Bible is the authority. I can't see for the life of me why you say this? You have no idea about how this organization operates. You only think you do to be making statements like this.

    Col :)
     
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    #89
    I already donate to churches and organizations. I'm a true Roman Catholic though.
     
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    #90
    I am a Christian and I give 10% of my income to the church.

    We have to rely or depend on God for his provision and therefor giving 10% of our income to the church is a way of building our faith in terms of us depending on God for his provision.

    The true test is - as you gain more and more wealth do you still give that percentage of your income to God. It says in the Bible that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
     
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    #91
    In regards to that verse in Matthew 19:23-4:

    If a person becomes attached to his possessions as that wealthy young man did, they could become a barrier to his serving Jehovah wholeheartedly. That could be true both of one who is already wealthy and of one who is “determined to be rich.” (1 Timothy 6:9, 10) Trusting too much in material things can lead a person to be less ‘conscious of his spiritual need.’ (Matthew 5:3)

    A person can be wealthy and a Christian. It all depends on the wealthy person's heart condition. As in, how attached they are to their wealth.

    Col :)

    Col :)
     
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    #92
    "I can't see for the life of me why you say this?"

    I need to go to the "less than honest card" again with you. It's obvious to any one familiar with the Watchtower that they don't take the Bible as their authority. They take the theology that they desire to be true and change the Bible to match their theology.
     
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  13. grandad

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    #93
    Now you really make me laugh lol
    You really don't know anything about Jehovah's Witnesses do you!
    You must be getting them confused with 'nominal' Christianity and its record of adherence to the bible.

    "Thou shalt not kill" - Oh right ... got the wars wrong then!
    Clergymen blessing weapons and soldiers who go to slaughter others of the same religion! Catholic killing Catholic, Protestant killing Protestant ... God must have had a real problem deciding which side to support ... as if ... it's laughable!

    And what does the bible say about homosexuality?
    "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

    Shame about the gay vicars, what a disappointment!
    Gay marriages? Oh my ... do you think Gods Kingdom will be pink?
    Be what you like but let's not pretend that God approves ... remember Sodom?

    The truth of the matter is that 'nominal' christianity doesn't have a theology ... it is so tainted with worldly thinking and doing things that are popular with men that it doesn't have time to look to see what Gods views are.

    I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.
     
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    #94
    Exactly! There comes a great responsibility with wealth, as a person's dependance on God can become limited if they start to feel they've made it on their own. I know a few Christians who are very wealthy but you can tell it hasn't spoiled their spiritual growth at all and they are very generous with what they have.

     
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    #95
    God is only one and this is what Jesus (PBUH) taught.

    Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know

    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (God) hast sent.

    John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    And the following verses were found corrupted by Eminent Christian Scholars and were thrown out of the Bible by those Scholars (NOT Muslims):

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son...

    You will not find these in the RSV.
     
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    #96
    Who are you talking about? the catholic church or some other "organized" religion?

    There are some people who have created churches to blend their own ideas, but they do not represent Christian beliefs such as many "unity" churches, if that is what you are talking about....

    Most christians I know are reading the Bible and doing their best to obey God, not one of them is perfect including myself, but I still am not sure what you are trying to say about christians. Maybe you are confusing some branches of jw's??
     
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    #97
    Stop trying to get your "facts" from a muslim site designed to confuse people about the Bible and Jesus, if you read from these sites try to find the facts to back them up before you post their silliness. The versus are all true and there are many more that reflect who Jesus was, but the stories that site tell you and the loose interpretations are purposely misguiding and false.
     
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    #98
    This is the site from where I got them:

    http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/index.htmll

    The rest is my own knowledge and logic.
     
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    #99
    I'm the Christian but I'dont donates to church, just sometimes. Church is rich enought ....
     
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    #100
    Well which so-called christian groups do you know that actively support war and homosexuality as in my examples ... it certainly isn't the JW's!
    Has your church taken a stand against these God-dishonouring practices?
     
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