How to check if the keyword is not too much competitive?

Hi, I decide my keyword as http://www.crystal-perfume-bottle.cn-crystal.com through overture, but
How to check if the keyword is not too much competitive?
thanks

 

I would make it www.cn-crystal.com/cystal-perfume-bottle and not a sub domain. Making a sub domain is like having a whole new domain name which to the engines means a new website. I would use directories on your domain name so the PR distributes throughout.

Keyword Tools:

http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword/
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/
http://www.wordtracker.com/

 

In Google use:

Allintitle:Keywords Here
Allinanchor:Keywords Here

This is the number of pages with the keyphrase in their Title, or as anchor text in links. The lower the number, the less poeple targeting the phrase.

The higher in Overture, and the lower in those two results means the more lucrative the niche.

 

Just a quick comment: OVerture is dead.
For word suggestion and density i use the following free tool:
freekeywords.wordtracker.com

 

use google to search for the keyword and analyze the websites!

 

That is simply not true.

Just because something is in a title or anchor text, does not mean that page is necessarily "competing" for it.

Also, the Overture inventory tool is completely worthless, and YSM has admitted the results for certain terms can be WAY OFF! i.e. a term that has a monthly volume range of 1k-6k, was reported has having a monthly volume of 274k

 

Try this tool by seomoz.

http://www.seomoz.org/keyword-difficulty

 

It is true i'm sorry.

If a page contains the terms in Title & Anchor, it has SEO attributes to enchance it's position above simply mentioning the words on the page somewhere so your are competing against it in SERP's.

So your saying if i go out of my way to SEO a page with the keyphrase in the Title, and include that phrase in anchor text i don't want to rank for it and Google won't consider that page as a contender in SERPs?

 

So you mean to tell me that the person who created this page did so with competing for the term "Football Ticket Prices" in mind??

http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0001/Mar19_01/9.htm

I'm sorry, but I doubt the person who wrote this article in March of 2001 knew what SEO was.

 

That page ranks No.8 in Google but you wouldn't call it competition for the term?

I was doing SEO in 2001, so i see no reason they may not of had it in mind.

 

No I wouldn't. I would call it Google's desperate attempt to find relevant results due to lack of competition.

LOL.. you're stretching pretty hard there.

You honestly think that because you were doing SEO in 2001, that it is reasonable to believe the person who wrote that article really wanted it to rank for "Football Ticket Prices" when they wrote it?

I'm sure the UMich Athletic Department had SEO in mind for all the articles written for the school newspaper. In fact, I bet the football players all moonlight as SEOs, and the Basketball players do PPC management.

 

Nothing desperate about it, Google scored the document just like it does with the Billions of others on the web and ranked this one where it is based the same factors as the document in 1st position or the 50th.

Where? By saying Title and Anchor text are factors Google places high importance on, and using the Allin operators are a good determination of keyphrase competition?

Honestly.. Who gives a stuff what they were thinking, or what they wanted to rank for. The Google alorithm isn't based on what they think.

The document was put online by the Michigan University and is formatted exactly the same as the ones from the science department, to the law department. Do you honestly think because it talks about sports, the footballers formatted the HTML and not the University Computer Department lol?

 

You are dodging the issue. I'm not saying that Google didn't rank it like it does any other site. The point is THE SITE IS NOT COMPETING FOR IT! Just because Google scores a site for something, does not mean the site is intentionally competing for it. The fact that Google has a result like that in it's top 10, shows that there is NO competition for that term.

Nice try at spinning me, but no. I was referring to your silly comment about you doing SEO in 2001 was a valid reason to believe that the Athletic dept wrote the article with SEO in mind.

Sheesh man, you need to go to work for the Government because you are a spin master! I do because it proves they aren't competing for it. I never said it had anything to do with Google's algo!

What??? It clearly says "FROM THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT". Who formatted the HTML is irrelevant. We are talking about the title of the article, which only had back links from a higher level page on the same site that had the title as the anchor text.

 

Oh.. Ok so your idea of competition is what the webmaster is "thinking" when they put the page online, my bad. Sorry to say Google doesn't score documents on what a webmaster was thinking at the time he put the page online... But stick around you never know lol.

In that case, the only way "you" can find competition is Google a phrase, do a Whois on all several million domains then go to their house and ask the webmaster if he was competing for it when he wrote the page. Google operators such as the Allin commands just arn't for you.

No your right, Universities know nothing about SEO.. Just ask the guys at Stanford.

I do.

Oh ok, nice concept... Whoever formats the HTML and is responsible for putting the document online has no bearing on rankings. New one on me.

Finished yet? Time for my morning coffee.

 

For the last time! I never said Google considers it! What Google considers has nothing to do with competition. I guess you don't understand what competition means. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/competition
The 5th entry is the most appropriate to what we are discussing

Umm.. yeah! Thats the only way.
That doesn't even make sense.

Another lame spin attempt. You trying to equate the Athletic department at Umich to some geek lab at Stanford is just ignorant.

Why am I not surprised. Were you behind the Pat Tilman cover up?

What HTML format are you referring to? There is NO FORMAT! I'm 99% sure it was done programatically in the first place. Somebody writes an article called "Football Ticket Prices raised 16-18 dollars". Is it that big of a shocker thats what the title was set as? Then an SEO master said, "we should have the anchor text on the article listings page equal that of the title!" Yeah, thats what happened I'm sure.

Make sure you drink 2 cups, because your brain is obviously still asleep.

 

Haha, let me get this right. Your saying the volume of pages Google contains in it's index, the Authority it assigns to these pages and the factors it uses to rank these pages has nothing to do with competition of a keyword or phrase?

You had to consult a Dictionary to get the definition of a commin English word? Now that's comical

Not at all, i'm saying the page belongs to a university regardless of it having sports content on that particular page.

Who's that? No actually i don't care, it's has nothing what so ever to do with Search Optimization does it?

If that was the case, the document would end in .txt So you may wish to consult your Dictionary and find the defenition of HTML & Text becuase there's a big difference.

I don't care how it was done, and neither does Google. It contains the fundamentals required to rank for the terms it ranks for.

Look, i love a good SEO debate and i love being proven wrong as it helps to learn. But what your doing here is akin to holding up a square wheel and telling me yours is better when i allready have a round one.

If you don't want to use the dataset Google provides with the Allin operators, or are too silly to read the data that's perfectly fine. Going by the green reps i've received just from this thread, i'm not the only one who understands.

 

Absolutely. You have finally got it, sport!

No, I didn't. I clearly understand the definition of competition, you are the one who doesn't. I put that link for your benefit.

So whats your point then? Belonging to a university is irrelevant. It was written by someone in the athletic department back in 2001, who did not write it with SEO in mind. You originally stated that they DID because YOU were doing SEO in 2001.

No it doesn't. I wasn't talking about Search Optimization on that point, NOW WAS I?. I was talking about your repeated, lame attempts at distorting things I said by giving irrelevant, smartass answers like this one.

What? End in .txt? Why would it do that? It's an html file, not a .txt file. Are you on crack?? You stated earlier that someone in the comp sci department formatted the html to optimize for those terms rather than the athletic department. I'm asking you to show me what format you are talking about.

I never said Google did care! How many times are you going to infer that I did??? Yes it contains "fundamentals to rank" BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS COMPETING FOR IT! The most basic fundamental to rank is just having the search term somewhere on the page. And if it's more than one word, they don't even have to be together! A page like that IS NOT IN COMPETING!!!

Do you now? How is that the case when you don't understand search?

LOL!!! Says you! You just think you have the round one. In reality you aren't holding up a damn thing

I do use them, and this is not what this discussion is about. This is about your complete lack of comprehension of what Competition is. Keep on with your spin game, kid! 90% of the people on here don't know jack. I bet you have "Lots of green reps from DP members" on your resume.

 

Use keyword tools like on seochat.com

 

have you tried to make search on google? if there are so many results, it means there are too much competition on that keyword

 

*Yawn*

Sorry? You think the competition for a keyword or phrase is what the webmaster was thinking when they done the page, not what attributes the page contains that govern placement.

Keep up the good work, you'll learn one day!