I went outside and there is definately some kittens in my storage room off my patio. I tried to look at them but the mom just hissed at me so I went back in because I don't want to stress her out. There is some strays around here that are completely wild and she is one of them. They won't let you get too near, but will accept food. Anyway, off topic but that just kind of surprised me.
Yes very off topic. On a conclusion to this thread kind of thing. From what i have read. Abortion generally not accepted unless in exceptional circumstances?
Possesion... which would be carrying, well I am glad you have found a way to quote the same thing, in two consecutive posts and then just repeating what was said in the quotes, its one way to get your post count up... Well thats lovely... could I please just point out once again, that you are blatenty using the english language incorrectly... To murder is the unlawful killing, so you cannot say that abortion is murder, because it just highlights your inability to speak and put your arguments forward correctly.
I wasn't talking about the right to kill. I was talking about the right to choose! And I'm not a feminist!!
Oh for pete's sake diarmuid http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/12/nbirth312.xml Educate yourself. This is the internet. The information is out there. And yes I think the general consensus is that nearly all educated people frown on abortion except in a handful of circumstances such as rape, incest and medical problems. In those cases I don't think there are many that would still have an easy decision. There is unfortunatly too much misinformation out there that makes people think an abortion is no different than picking your nose.
It is not other people decision regardless if they are educated or not, if they are religious or not or if they agree with it or not. IT IS ONLY THE WOMAN RIGHT TO DECIDE OVER HER OWN BODY. What is your next plan after forbid abortion, to run around and stop people from picking their nose because you don't like that too. So let's see what you like to stop people from doing so far, having sex, having abortion and picking their nose, anything else that almighty Kalvin who is directly appointed by GOD like to stop people from doing?
It is a slippery slop on the other side of this hill too. Under your argument, if it is only the woman's right to decide, than it is also the case for suicide. It is one's right to do as they wish with their body; therefore killing themselves should be a right. Yet this is not the case in most countries. Under your argument, assisted suicide (aggressive voluntary euthanasia) is also legal as one has the right to decide when to, or not to die. No options, no circumstance review, but full rights. Yet, this is not the case in most countries. Take it one step further and you arrive at non-voluntary euthanasia.
You are welcome to point out anything that you believe will convince yourself that murdering babies is acceptable. I know if I subscribed to such a horrible belief, I'd want to take comfort in anything I could to try and justify such a horrible thing. Isn't it interesting that most people (at least that I've come across) that are pro-abortion (murdering babies) are anti-death penalty? Keep the child molesters and murderers alive at all cost, but kill the babies en masse. Such a twisted concept. Life - the presence of a heartbeat Death - the absence of a heartbeat A babies heart begins to beat at five weeks. Taking the "life" (heartbeat) of another, against their will, is murder. Who has the baby's best interest at "heart?"
Allah forbid we ban abortion! What next? Rape, murder, theft? What a horrible world we'd live in if we starting making laws prohibiting certain behaviors.
It is interesting that you are so "concerned" about unborn children while supporting the killing of whole families of adults and children? Death in the desert Do you condemn the killing of these children or are you only concerned about abortion of white babies? What a hypocrite.
It's impossible to force anyone into something they did themselves. The problem with the women choosing (to not be responsible & accept their actions) is just that, any women can choose for any reason to get rid of a child, in fact i've seen a few slags in my time that do go around having unprotected sex at will & they are having 2 or more abortions a year every year, there's no reason for this at all, but if it's her right to do with her body as she wishes, so i guess it's ok as long as she isn't hurting anyone else.
It's interesting because it's another gworld lie and attempt to change the topic. Meanwhile, your buds kill kids in Iraq and use them as bombs and behead others, and you remain silent (even when given an open opportunity), as always. You are certainly the beacon of high moral standards be a man and discuss with people who disagree instead of these yellow belly tactics. Perhaps you are in need of taking your own advice.
links to threads which has got nothing about this subject and no condemnation of killing the children. It is quite obvious that you are not concerned about children and more interested in pushing your "Christian morals" on women.
Suddenly you are outraged over links that "has got" nothing {to do} with this subject? Imagine my surprise!
I found an interesting website about abortion that deals with the questions like Is it alive? Is it human? Is it a person? Is it physically independent? Does it have human rights? Is abortion murder? Source here It says, "Is abortion murder? No. Absolutely not. It's not murder if it's not an independent person. One might argue, then, that it's not murder to end the life of any child before she reaches consciousness, but we don't know how long after birth personhood arrives for each new child, so it's completely logical to use their independence as the dividing line for when full rights are given to a new human being. Using independence also solves the problem of dealing with premature babies. Although a preemie is obviously still only a potential person, by virtue of its independence from the mother, we give it the full rights of a conscious person. This saves us from setting some other arbitrary date of when we consider a new human being a full person. Older cultures used to set it at two years of age, or even older. Modern religious cultures want to set it at conception, which is simply wishful thinking on their part. As we've clearly demonstrated, a single-cell zygote is no more a person that a human hair follicle. But that doesn't stop religious fanatics from dumping their judgements and their anger on top of women who choose to exercise the right to control their bodies. It's the ultimate irony that people who claim to represent a loving God resort to scare tactics and fear to support their mistaken beliefs. It's even worse when you consider that most women who have an abortion have just made the most difficult decision of their life. No one thinks abortion is a wonderful thing. No one tries to get pregnant just so they can terminate it. Even though it's not murder, it still eliminates a potential person, a potential daughter, a potential son. It's hard enough as it is. Women certainly don't need others telling them it's a murder. It's not. On the contrary, abortion is an absolutely moral choice for any woman wishing to control her body." Just thought the site was kind of interesting. Anyway, have a nice evening everyone.
So what? She has the right to decide over her body, who are you trying to make a decision for her? Just get over it and accept the fact that people don't give a damn about your opinion and what you think ( and quite rightly, looking at your posts) and accept that it is their right to decide over their own body.
I understand that you are surprised how easily I have shown that you are a hypocrite who supports killing of the children (already born) while pretending to be upset about abortion. I suppose after so many years as corporal and being ordered by officers who only used you for your expertize in peeling potatoes and polishing boots, you would love to be able to decide over some poor women who can not fight back.
be a man and discuss with people who disagree instead of these yellow belly tactics. Decisions, decisions....