Abortion, Good- Bad

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by diarmuid, May 30, 2007.

  1. diarmuid

    diarmuid Peon

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    #221
    Do you drink, smoke, do drugs? Anything like that? (I suppose you may well be as perfect as you pretend...)
    Most people drink alcohol, yes? and yet alcohol is something that can ultimately cause death! The UK's most serious drug problem is one with alcohol... and yet people drink it, so do they intentionally kill themselves, by taking part in an act that can ultimatley kill them?
     
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    #222
    Not always, that's only if the thing your doing is legal.

    That's because it legal, you argument is it's ok because it's not illegal, Nice argument but that is not exactly discussing anything.


    State your question again, even though i'm sure it's been answered over & over again, i will answer it again.
     
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  3. diarmuid

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    #223
    Thats not really strictly true... For example in the case of someone who has had a heart attack, and who's heart is no longer beating, they aren't actually 100% dead, as they can be defiblirated or resucitated back to life. So your definition of life, isn't strictly the definition.
     
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  4. Toopac

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    #224
    I do smoke all the time in fact & do drink every now & then. However i do accept that i could be killing myself .

    I'm not perfect by a long shot but i do believe acting responsibly is my responsibility.
     
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  5. candj

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    #225
    If they don't need a baby,please don't go for it.But abortion is not a good thing.Do you know,there are number of married couples those haven't any baby for a ling time.At least we just think about them.Baby is the gift of the god.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #226
    I knew expecting honesty of people like you is just too much since I have posted the question 3 times and you still haven't given an answer even when I answered your supposedly "smart" question. :rolleyes:

    Here is the questions again:

    Let's see if you can avoid answering it again. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #227
    There can be heartbeat and the person is anyway dead. A person is dead when the brain is dead and a person can still be alive without a heart and a machine can pump the blood through the vain. ;)
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #228
    What beats when they come back to life (from death)?

    I'd say your scenario proves my point very well, though I'm not sure that was your intention. It's another good example.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #229
    I'm not aware of any babies born like this. The machine replicates the function of the ________ of which, without, a person will _________?

    Answer 1: heart

    Answer 2: die

    Life is the presence of a heartbeat. Death is the absence of a heartbeat. A baby's heart begins to beat at five weeks old.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #230
    Why not construct the question better with additional answers, instead of constructing it based upon your beliefs with limited answers designed to force someone to answer the way you want them to? In essence, you are attempting to force someone to answer an ill-formed question with limited answers designed to prove that you *must* be right. That's not very open-minded, is it?
     
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    #231
    You were generalizing about a person which was not correct. A fetus is not a person, so heartbeat is irrelevant. ;)
     
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  12. diarmuid

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    #232

    DEATH means the person is DEAD... means they need to be put in a coffin and burried or burnt... once a person is dead, they do not get resucitated they are dead...

    At a hospital, if someones heart stops beating do they pronounce them dead? No, instead they attempt to resucitate them and only if that fails do they prenounce them dead. They never left life!

    The definition of dead, is to have lost life, if you have lost life, you will not be able to regain it... So, thus if you come back to life from the dead then we assume that it is some form of vampire or zombie?
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #233
    Why not answer it the way you like but a concrete answer and not your usual BS designed to avoid the question? :rolleyes:

    Who has the right to decide over the body of a pregnant women?

    Designate SOMEONE as you like.
     
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    #234
    Abortion, 93% of the time, is used as a way to avoid the consequences of one's own actions. That makes it a wicked thing to do in those cases. You don't murder people because they're inconvienent to you. Unless you're in the mob. And even then it's still wong. What's sad, is that that is probably an "insightful" thing to point out for some people.

    If you drink or smoke, flushing the bottles or the cigarettes down the toilet is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid the consequences (utilizing and slowly killing yourself) of your actions (buying it in the first place).

    If you chose to have sex you do not get to choose to murder the consequences of your actions just because you didn't "intend to have a baby."

    No matter what you choose to do, by doing those things you choose to accept the consequences and take responsibility for them no matter how little chance you have of experiencing them. Unfortunatly in this wicked world we live in there is no shortage of awful people who will murder to avoid the consequences of their actions. Then they want to justify it to make themselves feel better about what they did. It's a very rare person who has an abortion and doesn't feel awful about themselves. About 46% of abortions are repeat offenders so I guess not too many of them feel bad enough to never do it again.
     
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    #235
    Another blah, blah, blah with nothing to say but avoiding the concrete questions about the subject.
    How about you take responsibility and stop posting blah, blah preaching when you have nothing of value to say about the subject? :rolleyes:
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #236
    I don't argue this point. There are circumstances where someone can live for a very limited amount of time without a heartbeat and doctors are able to recover the patient. You continue to make my point though. Without the heartbeat, they will die. What do the doctors do? They restore the patient's __________?

    Answer: Heartbeat

    Why? Without a heartbeat, the patient will ______?


    Answer: die

    I'm grateful that you continue to make my point for me! Death is the absence of a heartbeat. Life is the presence of a heartbeat.



    Wow, the bold/red means you are getting upset and really want someone to answer just as you want them too, huh?

    The answer is really simple. If the woman is choosing murder, then *anyone* has the responsibility to prevent the woman from committing murder (taking the life of another). Just because you support murdering babies doesn't mean everyone does.

    Do you feel better, now that someone has answered your silly little question? :D
     
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    #237
    Oh this one again, like i already stated many times over you forgot the option of the baby, a fair question would look like this:

    I am talking AFTER SHE IS PREGNANT. WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE OVER HER BODY:

    A) THE WOMAN
    B) YOU
    C) GOVERNMENT
    D) THE BABY
     
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    #238
    I think you missed the point:rolleyes:
     
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    #239
    Thank you for making my point, according to you women are too stupid and can commit murder by controlling their body, so here enters Corporal Gtech, freshly appointed by GOD as savior of humanity and saves the day. :rolleyes:

    Where does it stops? How about people who masterbate, they are killing babies? How about those who use condom or women who wash the inside after sex, are they killing babies?

    Let's appoint Corporal Gtech to inspector General of D*cks, so he can make sure that no sperm is wasted and no possibe baby is killed. :rolleyes::D
     
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    #240
    Sperm and eggs are just sperm and eggs until there is a real biological reaction that joins them together and turns them into something else (much like a chemical reaction of elements that create a new chemical). After that biological reaction, it just continues to grow, and there are no more biological reactions from seperate things joining together like that.

    Furthermore, when you are trying to get a woman pregnant, most of your sperm die anyway, only the fastest swimming one survives and is transformed into a human along with the egg. So essentially, all of the sperm either dies or is changed into something else anyway.
     
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