What would be the point of God doing that? The thing to remember is God has cherubs, serafs, Jesus and the myriads of myriads of angels in heaven. If he just completely controlled us, then there would be no basis for us or them in heaven to love God. He created us with free will. Think back to the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve had everything handed to them on a silver platter. They had a perfect life in perfect surroundings. They only needed to be obedient. One commandment about the forbidden tree. Yes, they disobeyed and we suffer the consequences. However, think about how they disobeyed. What caused them to disobey. Who influenced Eve? When you start to think about that, then you an start to think about what would have been proven if God had wiped out Satan and Adam and Eve back then. It would have proven to Jesus, the cherubs, the serafs and all the angels that God has not got control over things and just uses his power. Think about this scenario: Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem. Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance. The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.â€â€”Jeremiah 10:23. Col
So god is manipulative and needs satisfaction that he created something? Really do you know how ridiculous this sounds. Why would an all powerful being give a crap what pesky humans do? How do you know what would be fun for god anyways. And for that fact, you speak from the bible like it's the truth.
Rub3X seems to be getting own in a number of threads tonight. I can't believe he said he supports Hitler's killings. Oh well, there are others here who are not fond of Jews too.
Your idea of owned is regurgitating lies you learned from Bushisgod.com and foxnews.com. Mine is showing excerpts from reputable news websites and providing a link.
1EightT good thread. I am an agnostic, and I follow my heart to guide me on what is right or wrong. I don't need to pray about it or read it in some book. I do not need the threat of hell to live in an ethical manner. I believe we all have that in us whether we are an atheist or christian. Universal laws are not in a book, but are written in your heart.
Like the ones I posted about the WMD that you can't refute? Is that why you support Hitler killing Jews? Sounds like a fairly "common dream," eh?
Yeah. So ridiculous that I can't wait to be living in a system without people like you. How ungrateful. Because he loves us. The Bible says so in many places. Yeah. It's like that. You see, I am in an organization that harmonises with the Bible's teachings. You know what? It works. It works so well, that I am very happy from day to day living a life that pleases God and knowing that God is pleased with me. The kind of life that shows respect for other human beings and life itself. Our organization is near 7 million strong in over 250 lands. The message we preach is the same no matter where we go. Our people do not war, do not gamble, do drugs or have sex outside of the marriage. How can such an organisation this large in over 250 lands operate without corruption or power? The only way it can operate successfully is by God's hand. It's the only not for profit organisation in the world that shows the world the real solutions to mankind's problems. The only organisation that keeps itself clean. That's how I can speak from the Bible and I know it's the truth because I am living that way and will do forever. There's not a single thing in this world that I would want that could persuade me otherwise. I don't even know why I am bothering saying this. You don't want to know anyway, or, I don't expect you to know. Ridicule all you like mate. I know what's right in my heart. The more you ridicule, the more I know I am doing the right thing. Col
My apologies, I know it's embarrassing to you that you can't refute them. Besides, I'd like to hear more about your support for Hitler and killing Jews.
You assume he's happy with you. I live a happy life as well. No need for an imaginary crutch to live. K MS is a huge company and used by millions. Make it the best? Nah. Same goes with Myspace. Necon evangelicals started the Iraq war. Drugs are natural things like plants "given by god". Sex is natural, we're programmed to screw. Gambling? What you have something against having fun? You're superior to me cause I like to have fun? Are you inferring there's no religious corruption amongst christians? Laughable...
the definition of god is subjective , i personally don't expect everyone to share the same concept of how life is. so i think no ones really better than another or has more moral authority.
Ahh so...earth can't just exist....complex being that can create earth...just can exist? Well that makes PERRRRRRRFECT sense. Where do I sign up for this religion thing? They seem rational enough. Also that's not the definition of god, that's what you made up.
There you have it right there. You have all the answers right there. You just keep doing what you are doing. You have no idea about the organisation I am referring to or the people in it. You mock what you do not know. You take things completely out of context for your arguments. What are you? 12? no...13 maybe?? You talk like one. MS or Myspace are no comparison in any way, shape or form. What on earth is a Necon evangelical? Never heard of them. I am talking about recreational drugs. Sex, forget it. You obviously have no family values. Gambling? Fun? Yeah, it's fun how millions of people go to the pokies and pour gazillions of dollars into them and refuse to buy food fo r their families. Real fun that is. I never said I was superior to you. That's "your" words. There are "christians" and "so-called christians". You obviously refer to the "so-called christians" when you talk about corruption. Come on man. Face it. You have no idea what you are talking about here. There's a verse from the Bible you should read. In fact, here it is: Isaiah 48:16-19: And now the Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has sent me, even his spirit. This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea. And your offspring would become just like the sand, and the descendants from your inward parts like the grains of it. One’s name would not be cut off or be annihilated from before me.†Are you paying attention?? Col
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3A+God As for your other rambling, you make no sense.
Originator means he created the universe, not always existed. Now explain to me why you can come up with the conclusion that there is a god based on zero evidence. Why can god just exist, and why can't the earth just exist.
If the earth "just" exists, then the earth is "God". My original statement was "If God created everything, who are you to question what he does with it?". If you don't believe God created everything, why are you even trying to argue with me?
Cheap Seo Services, I always enjoy your posts and even though I am not a christian or share same beliefs in that way I do respect what you have to say. I think it was OP's thought that many christians do not believe non-christians are as moral as they are. What are your thoughts on this? Do you believe an atheist can be just as ethical and moral as a christian?