Digitalpoint forums should install vbSEO.

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by mastersite, Nov 23, 2006.

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  1. paidhosting

    paidhosting Peon

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    #101
    Yup wiki just as good if not better, and i do not think wiki uses vbseo now does it :p:D
     
    paidhosting, May 23, 2007 IP
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    #103
    Whatever that CRU means, i am not into vbseo so :p. But must be some delicious thing ;)
     
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  4. Gnet

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    #104
    Im into vbseo totally, got 3 licenses the first week i got a taste of it, but its not for dp, dp is just not suitable for vbseo.
     
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    jward Active Member

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    #105
    CRU really just means static URL, typically one ending in .html for instance.

    However, it is different from a standard static URL, in that it is "Content Relevant". This means it contains keywords that reflect the content of the page.

    They are often referred to as "keyword rich" or "keyword relevant" URLs as well.

    With vBSEO, with support Content Relevant URLs, as well as simple static URLs.

    The configuration is up to the customer.

    Something like:

    yourdomain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10 can be transformed to any of the following:

    yourdomain.com/forum/1-widgets/10-blue-widgets.html

    (where 1 is the forum ID, and 10 is the thread ID in this example)

    OR

    yourdomain.com/forum/f1/t10.html

    OR

    yourdomain.com/forum/t10.html

    OR

    yourdomain.com/forum/t10/

    OR

    yourdomain.com/forum/f1/t10/

    OR

    yourdomain.com/forum/1-widgets/10-blue-widgets/

    The most important idea, is that in any of these formats (with vBSEO) you get link consistency and consensus. There is only 1 way to access any of your content pages.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #106
    Care to comment on why you and other vBSEO proponents believe this is so important?
     
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    technolarity Well-Known Member

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    #108
    I read a few earlier posts and its seems he is fine with the current system .
     
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    #109
    I have said this numerous times - I'll clarify it. My opinion is as follows:

    Is vBSEO necessary for good google rankings? NO

    Will vBSEO, by itself, give you dramatic changes in your search engine presense and ranking? NO

    If you dont have vBSEO can you acheive strong search engine presence and ranking? YES

    Will it hurt you to have vBSEO? NO


    vBSEO may give you a SLIGHT edge.

    My site, vBulletin FAQ does not use vBSEO.

    Lets check GOOGLE for the query vBulletin

    vBulletin's 2 official sites come up first, then wiki, then vBulletin FAQ. vBSEO is not on the first page. Its been this way for quite some time.

    Oh, my PR is higher as well.

    Im not gloating. Im only pointing out that vBSEO isnt the end all be all. Its not a magic pill. You still have to do all the offsite SEO. (getting backlinks, using the right anchor text, etc. If you do that offsite SEO, you can rank well also. I think, at best and all things being equal, vBSEO might give you a slight edge. But its easily overcome IMO.
     
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    Joe - you are an excellent admin. You are definitely one of the best I've seen at creating backlinks to your content (specific resources, and not just your homepage), as well as using carefully chosen anchor text variations. We see that in action here - and in the majority of your posting here at DP.

    On top of that, your site is very organized. You've created an aeshetic template (helps boost your authority/stickiness), and you continually create valuable content to get indexed.

    You've build your toolbar Google PageRank up to a 6 on your homepage which is a pretty good achievement. All those backlinks you've built up paid off in that regard.

    You also ranked on or near page 1 for "vBulletin" (which you actively target) very early in the life of your vbFaq forum. Of course, it also helps that the term is in your domain name, and heavily promoted in your anchor text for backlinks to your site. ;)

    In short - I think many admins can learn alot from you, and I encourage them to visit your site to see what they can pick up.

    However, with all the hard work you do, I think you would do even better if you installed vBSEO and let it do it's job. The SEO advantages of vBSEO, combined with your proactive link building and growing content database would be a fantastic duo.

    Remember - with vBSEO, we're optimizing on a page by page basis, with the goal of bringing in thousands of referrals from the terms that occur over your entire body of threads on your forum. You can still do work to optimize for a particular term like "vBulletin" - but vBSEO helps to bring in the naturally occurring terms located in the various user generated content that gets posted.
     
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    #111
    Please stop with the informercials, jward. You keep describing vBSEO as if it were the only way to accomplish SEO for vBulletin other than link-building. And we both know that's utter crap.

    No one, repeat no one, needs to buy vBSEO to accomplish all the things that are beneficial in optimizing vBulletin for search engines.

    See Basic forum SEO: Start with the simple things.

    AFTER you do the things mentioned in that article, then look at some or all of the following:

    The best package (free or paid, in my opinion, but this one is free) for vBulletin is Zoints SEO. Don't listen to all the crap about how it's not supported because it's free. Peer support works fine for the vast majority of vBulletin add-ons.

    There's also vRewrite for mod_rewrite only, if you insist on mod_rewrite (I recommend against it).

    Others:

    1. Set up a Google sitemaps account and then use one of the several free sitemaps add-ons from vbullletin.org, like Sitemap Generator.

    2. To help with initial spidering on a new forum, install Forum Archive List Forum Footer. It's ugly but you can disable or uninstall it when your forum gets going.

    3. Zoints Thread Tags or Relevant Thread Text

    All of these are free add-ons for any licensed vBulletin owner. Now take that $150 USD plus annual renewal fees that jward wants you to spend on his product and use it for advertising or something useful.
     
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  12. jward

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    #112
    Hi David,

    I just have a few comments. I'll try to be brief, since it appears you are becoming a bit emotional about this topic.

    Firstly David - it's important for me to provide information about vBSEO when discussed, particularly in a webmaster community where you should welcome the discussion rather than attempt to control or suppress perspective.

    While you seem to understand the basics of SEO, I am not completely sure what is the source of that deep seated angst that compels you to so vehemently attack a software plugin that is helping thousands of vBulletin admins improve their search engine positioning - any time it is discussed, everywhere it is discussed.

    While it's possible, David, that you may be using a much discussed, important vBulletin SEO plugin as leverage to drive traffic to the sites in which you are affiliated, it may be more than that.

    It's up to you to take a look inside, do some reflecting, and perhaps dispel that dark energy.

    I hope you can do that David. Because I welcome your discussion of the topic of SEO, or (more specifically) vBulletin SEO. I hope that you will, in the future, welcome other opinions even if contrary to your own.

    Please consider my post today as *peer support*.

    Note: David uses the vBSEO Google/Yahoo Sitemap Generator, available for free. While it integrates directly with vBSEO, vBSEO is highly recommended to achieve a vastly improved state of vBulletin search engine optimization.
     
    jward, May 25, 2007 IP
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    #113
    jward i agree with you, my adsense earning are 200% more than without vbseo :)
     
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    #114
    Very glad to hear you have started to experience the vBSEO phenonmenon. :)
     
    jward, May 25, 2007 IP
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