When truth comes, the falsehood Perishes, for Falsehood is Bound to Perish. First, tell me did u agree with what ever I sent you. If no then give me reasons for that. Don’t just keep on going on thread of diverse questions. That will go nowhere but just some time wasting. First solve one problem then other. Don’t worry I am here to answer you anything. I sent you with solid history and references. If any of my reference is wrong then tell me. Nevertheless, you pl also give me solid references rather than just blowing in air. Which official have told you this Secrete information??? Is it published anywhere? Reference plz???…or this figure was given to you in your church or told by some story teller??? What do you mean official says, just give me only one such PROVED fact, I will bow my head in your feet. You know something? Even CNN called Osama Bin Laden as PRIME SUSPECT. till today no one on officially calls him the original culprit. Go visit official web site of Pentagon and CIA, just read there how many people Osama has killed. And then do see how many innocent children, men and women are so far killed in Afghanistan and Iraq by US army. Don’t listen anyone just analyse on officials what is available in USA. I do agree with you, 55 beheaded. But then you tell me how many are illegally murdered in all sates of Arabia? You know what? Not even ONE. Check out the crime rate in Arabia. I wont say (like you) “some official says†this you can check on any where you like. And among 55 beheaded people, you know who were they? They all were drug smugglers from different countries who tried to smuggle drugs in Arabia and were responsible for spreading poison nation wide. (you can check on any site that in Arabia, the punishment of drug smuggling is beheading) And now compare USA and there crime rate. How many are being killed each day. How many registered rape cases. You can get drugs in couple of bucks. These are the facts which can be taken from any official site of USA. I WONT SAY “SOME OFFICAIL SAYSâ€â€¦. So let me conclude: 1- In Saudi Arabia, they beheaded 55 to save millions of people. 2- In USA, they do not behead 55, but let the millions of innocent people to suffer in the hands of drug gangs. Let people decide So dear I have all the answers for your baseless ALLIGATIONS. Even you can also get these answer simply by searching over internet. Rather than sitting and saying what ever you have heard from church extremists or media (with no knowledge if islamic culture and norms) who put such blames when they get fail to find any PROVEN FACT against mulims. you must first understand that things are diffrent in one religion and diffrent in other. dont compare them according to what is there in your own religion. for example, Christian eat pork, Muslim don’t, so u start saying “ see see Muslims are so bad that they don’t even eat porkâ€â€¦this is very illogical. Simmililarly you must understand that women in Islam + Christianity are different from what women we see now a day. If you read bible then only you will be shocked to know that what is happening in Iran for women, is completely according to the Bible. Bible also asks women to cover their head, but Christian don’t do. Rather they put allegations on Iran and Muslim otherwise. Therefore, I request you for: 1- not to spread hate against a certain creed with out any certain knowledge you have. If have then let me know too. If you want to convert me into Christian or any other religion you have, I am ready to do so, but for that you are required to furnish original and authentic FACT, not hypothetical statements. 2- and pl first settle one issue, rather than starting series of question, rather allegations. And remember, I am not here to win over you, rather just seeking truth and knowledge. If you really have something authentic to talk, then only I would love to talk to you. Otherwise, I ignore when people put allegations and abuse any religion on earth. So now, tell me where we started our talk. My first post. Agree with it or else prove with proofs that whatever I said in my previous post was not correct. Thanks.
"In 2006, 91 percent of all known executions took place in China, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, and the United States." "However, it should be a continuing source of national shame that the United States remains on the list of the world's top executing countries. " "The United States is the only country in the Americas to have carried out any executions since 2003." http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGUSA20070427001
bullbla, http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/polislam.htm that's for weeks or even months to study. Just to start with. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2462102&postcount=1 and post 2 Some other reasons. 1. Islam is Theocratic, the West is Secular. 2. Islam wants religion to have a major role in governance and in society, whereas the West wants it excluded. 3. Islam wants to dominate the world, the West believes in coexistence. 4. Islam encourages war in defence of the Islamic Faith (the so-called ‘lesser Jihad’); the West encourages a ‘live and let live’ approach to matters of faith [Clearly there have been no religious wars in the West]. 5. Islam is idealistic; the West is pragmatic. (In the West, if it works, do it; in Islam, if the Koran permits it, do it). 6. Islam is Puritanical, the West is Hedonistic. ("If it feels good, do it" in the West, versus "If it feels good, don’t do it" in Islam). 7. Islam honours tradition, the West honours innovation. 8. Islam honours the community; the West honours the individual. 9. Islamic economics rejects the paying and collecting of interest. In the West interest is one of the two pillars that finance economic development. Think bonds, mortgages, deficit financing, and bank loans. (The other pillar in the West is equity participation in financial ventures, which is also permitted in Islam.) 10. The family structure in Islam is extended and patriarchal; in the West it is nuclear and parental. Why not just google the political islam and you get 29 million results. Not that I can challenge you or that I want to challenge you. It's non of my business. But if it helps you to get, in case you really seek, then start from wherever you want and you will always come to the conclusion that there is something fundamentaly wrong with Islam. Or try some books from there http://www.cspipublishing.com/ Why these books are so unique Up to now, the knowledge of the Trilogy has been available to a few scholars and Islamic imams. Scholars at CSPI have made these texts understandable for the first time. Now you can learn about political Islam from the only source that counts-Mohammed.
You teach Muslims that people should fear them. Then Muslims whine about Islamophobia. I know you're trying to accomplish something here but I don't think you're accomplishing what you think you're accomplishing. Uh oh. Santa Claus is going to send me to hell. You're going to have to fight the Mormon God for dibs on sending me to hell. Christianity is a religion of refuge for sinners. Islam is just stupid. What kind of moron writes an article telling people that Muslims are to be terrorists? In any context that's moronic. Christians are not told to "terrorize" sinners. They're told to comfort sinners with the gospel. That's the problem with Muslims. They have no concept of love except to other Muslims. That's not love. That's a cult.
What a piece of crap. I am sure all the people who have died during crusades, Inquisition and even in this age died in Rwanda or still dying in the hand of anti-abortion Christians will disagree with you. Christianity or Islam don't have the patent on stupidity or violence. ALL religions are equally dangerous in the hand of morons.
Since 1977 there have been over 40 abortion clinic bombings. http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/29/bombing.update/index.html In 1998 the first fatality was reported from an abortion clinic bombing. It took 21 years to kill someone. The reason? When people try to blow up abortion clinics they aren't generally trying to kill anyone. They pick times when there are the fewest (if any) people around. The whole purpose of blowing up an abortion clinic is to save lives. Not to kill people. http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm That site groups murders with attempted murder. Since 2 people were at the building in 1998 (and only 1 died), at most 2 people of the 3 targeted that year were killed. In 2000 one person was targeted. That totals at most 3 people murdered at abortion clinics from 1977 to 2004. The immediate reaction? Condemnation from all sides. Christians don't defend abortion clinic bombers. How many people have been killed since 1977. No one is saying. From the above site it's obvious no one is saying because the number is so low. Compared that to Islamic militants who try to maximimize civilian casualities and have murdered countless thousands since before 1977 and murder more on a daily basis. The immediate reaction? Endless excuses from Muslims and Muslim leaders. It's almost comparable. http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/crusades.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls I just have Gworld on ignore. I've yet to see something that someone quoted of his that upon closer examination revealed it was worth dignifying with a response. But, in this case I was curious. And now looking back I see it didn't dignify a response. Compare those numbers with our favorite atheists (Hiter, Stalin, Pol Pot) who killed 10's of millions in an effort to eventually eradicate all religion. I guess what people mean by religion being the problem is that if people weren't religious, atheists wouldn't have a reason to murder so many people.
what age got to do with it? if he speak the truth, than we should listen, no matter how old he is. Listen to the words, not the person.
As I recall in my history lesson, there are none. Arabs, Indian, and Chinnese traders are the one who responsible for spreading Islam in Indonesia (and probably Malaysia).
Okay tell me one thing Arnei, How old are you? Because you are sending me hypothetical statements not even a single proven fact. Simply calling something wrong wrong and wrong wont make it wrong unless you prove it with something very stimulating. So first answer my question and historical facts that I mentioned in my last post. Tell my if islam was spread with sword then: why still 80 % percent are non-muslims in India where Muslim ruled for more than five hundred years??? Why Indonesia and Malaysia have largest Muslim population without any Muslim (army) invasion??? Why islam spread up to African costs without any blood shed (like it always happened in Christian history. i.e Incidents of Ireland Why Saudi Arab bearing millions of Christians on their most sacred land, why they don’t convert them all with force (like they are blamed for)???? First, answer me these with historical references, not just invented statements. First settle this, Then we will talk on some other issue. Secondly, pl prove any fundamental problem in Islam. You prove it I will quit islam. And also prove me one more thing, Show me one verse in complete Bible of any version, where Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) himself said “I am God†or where he himself said “Worship meâ€â€¦â€¦ Lastly also tell me why I see many Christian blasting islam and abusing muslims and openly attack their holy person Muhammad, but I miserably fail to see any Muslim ever saying any thing about Christianity and occurring any bad word in the honor of Jesus? If Christians are so good, well mannered and civilized, then why so much hate and abusing. But if Muslims are so barbarians and bad, then why not a single unacceptable statement about Jesus? Do every one who loves Jesus Please Visit this site http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/us_mercenaries_kill_iraqis.htm Looking forward to hearing from you.
no muslim uses such bad tone for Jesus. but why others do it openly and still calls Muslim bad? why? have people lost their mind or evil has taken over them. i request all muslims not to respond such crap, beacuse you give what ever solid points to them, they will never be good, not even will talk good. is this what they claim for Jesus teachings? show me anywhere in Bible where jesus ever called anyone MORON? or Jesus called other religion stupid and ever spoke to anyone like this person doing? then why there is claim for Jesus lover? this is how they define love. why so unrealistic approach? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/us_mercenaries_kill_iraqis.htm hope you find this information to open your eyes..............God bless you (and ya, this is your God whom i requested to Bless you)
Bibles are illegal in Saudi Arabia. Those Christians are not living in peace. They're oppressed by a wicked government. They're not forced to convert. They're just second class citizens if they want to keep their heads. I've never understood why Muslims keep bringing up Saudi Arabia like it's a good place. It really says a lot about Muslims.
Pork is also illegal in Saudi but allowed in West Alcohol is illegal in Saudi but allowed in West. Nudity and Naturalism is illegal in Saudi but allowed in West. Gay / Lesbian marriages are illegal in Saudi but allowed in West. What this all mean? Now blame Saudi more. But also try to understand that there are different cultures existing in world. Don’t compare things on the standards set by your own culture. Even bible says not to drink, not to eat pork, to cover heads for women, Bible says if someone hits on your face, offer him the other side of your face, where did it says to kill thousands of innocent children and women just because they were not Christians and for the greed of oil. Where Bible does allows homo marriages, sex and teen age girls to become virgin mothers, but all Christian countries are openly practicing all these forbidden acts. Then how daring they talk in the reference of Bible and proud to talk over religious issues with out even knowing or practicing what their scriptures are loudly saying. The Bible and Quran says common things but the difference is Christian don’t follow or bother for their Bible but Muslims do try to stick to their scripture. That’s why they look strange to non-practicing Christian but those who understand their Bible and are practicing Christian, they will never feel strange when muslim practice their teachings. Similarly Saudi also has some religious policy. But there is no evidence (except for propaganda) for what you are talking. You yourself visit Saudi (if you are really keen to know) then only you will know why every muslim represent Saudi as a good state. If banning Bible is the criteria for being wicked, do watch the other side of the picture also. 1- Muslims are living horrible lives in West 2- There are no basic rights available to them 3- They are facing backlash each day on each step of life 4- They can not openly say Azan (call for prayer) 5- They can not have their own Mosque (Muslim church) for religious activities 6- Many TV channel have showed the burning of Muslim places in Christian countries but fail to show any attack on Christians in Saudi (except for propaganda done on unknown websites) 7- Girls are not allowed to cover their heads (many incidents are reported each day when people snatch scarf from their heads, and rag them on roads. 8- A Muslim can not support beard, as he will not get job anywhere 9- Muslim cant even keep Muslim names for their children which is the basic right for any individual 10- No security available to them, they can be charged and jailed with out any trial which is against any human rights, (Guantanamo bay and Abu garib jail are the worst proof of West Wicked Federation) And there are many more things muslims facing in Christian dominated countries. What you call them? If Saudis are wicked to ban Bible (which is not true in real) what you call your government to be very honest. Every day we hear news on almost all leading news channels about killing of muslims. Only muslims are killed by west, just compare yourself, 9/11 came once on news channels but muslims killing is popping in breaking news every day. Its been so long we heard of any Christian killed by Muslim. Its been more than six years to 9/11, and Muslim are being killed each day of each year. Still you have not taken revenge? How many innocents more to go? In the main, instead of solving the problems of the Muslims in a manner that would be mutually beneficial, the Christian states tend to ignore or minimize them. In the former state of Yugoslavia the Serbs went one step further with their Muslim minority. They systematically killed them and drove them from their homes in Bosnia. The world called it 'ethnic cleansing' and did nothing. Bosnia was added to the list of recent Muslim losses. Is it Bible or your own behavior? So please when you again speak about Christianity, try to speak according to Bible, not according to your own set rules. Or else admit that you have nothing to do with religion or Bible, then it would at least make some sense.
which is great! I love BBQ! it is so juicy and delicious...I'm going to have some today for lunch. they are not allowed in the US currently, so you are wrong in that aspect. how you figure? There are lots of muslims around me that make way more than I ever will. wrong again, they have every right that an american has... not from everyone...but hey, if their buds in iraq would quit blowing themselves up in the name of Allah it might not be a problem. wrong again, I have see this happen many times, expecially when I was getting my undergraduate degree. wrong again, there is a mosque down the street and a muslim school. which christian countries? I'm going to need some sources if you want me to believe that. again, got any proof of that? or is it just your speculation? sounds like a problem with islam to me..If this is true, then why do Sikh's get jobs? (they never cut their beards, and there is a Sikh population near where I live, they have a gudwara and all) so now we are telling people what names they can and cannot use for their children? What a load of crap...again, need a source on that one. so you would just prefer that all these people who are involved in terrorism in the name of your religion be set free? Just so you know, those that have gone before trial in Guantanamo Bay have confessed to their crimes. As far as being against human rights, where does flying airplanes into buildings to kill THOUSANDS of innocent people fit in? Is that ok, or is it against human rights? sorry buddy, but muslims are killed by muslims who want to earn their virgins. If all your buddies would quit blowing themselves up, then the US could leave Iraq. But as it stands, you fellow muslims can't stop, because they are terrorist nutjobs. I really feel that you have a lack of understanding about what is actually going on in the world. Maybe you should stop listening to your Imam and actually try to learn about what is going on before you make such accusations as you did above.
A muslim woman got on the radio recently to discuss the events in Gaza. She claimed to be an objective activist. When asked about the rockets being fired into Israel she claimed they were just fireworks. I wouldn't call it brainwashing. Just willfull ignorance. 1 in 4 Muslims Youths Support Suicide Bombings And that's in the US.
hmmmm, wow…….but pl also prove me from Bible that Jesus also had pork…..but if you are an Atheist, then ok. Carry on…. ya not allowed in US constitution, but in general practice, thousands of gay / lesbian clubs. This is even worst…isn’t ??? and I hope now you wont say “no there is nothing like that in USA “ http://www.crisispapers.org/liberty/constitution.htm For one or two Christian-cum-Muslims making way higher, you can not say all Muslims. I did not find any true Muslim, he will either be in jail for keeping Quran with him, or will be deported for supporting beard. You need proof? Just stay at any international airport close to you and then watch the game. this is absolutely what I want to tell you. If I say Catholics are blowing in USA and killing Protestants, you will call me insane. You will say why they will kill each other even they have difference in their views. Similarly why Muslims will kill each other on petty differences in views? Ok let me have a Concord approach and for the sake of argument I agree with you, then let me ask you why there was no such DAILY killing before the US invasion? This is really smart move that you kill innocent people and then propagate that they are killing themselves…wow…Don’t just watch Christian dominated News channels, do watch the Arab channels also if you really wanna know something. Even in court judge listens both lawyers and then decide. I don’t understand why Americans, so-called Civilized people do that unjust and decide the situation on the knowledge mutely brainwashed by Christian Media and hard liner Church. Did USA find any weapon of Mass destruction in Iraq for what they invaded??? Even if there in Iraq was very wrong going on (according to US), who gave right to USA for taking over others countries and looting their wealth and oil. If everything was fine then why now Bush is losing popularity even in its own people (refer to CNN gallop report). Because now people have started realizing what’s been played with them in the name of War. yes, when I was studding in US university (long time back) I also saw that, and one day a gang threw stone on us when we were saying our prayer. Recently one of my friend was beaten so brutally that he remained in hospital for three months. They broke his ribs even. His gaffe was only that he was a Muslim. They peed on his face before leaving him half dead…and I assume you being in US University, know this as it usually happens. ya a diminutive mosque is there but they can not call for prayer loudly. It’s the state law of almost every state if you know it by chance. http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter1.htm http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/RINVol9No2/Muslims%20in%20America.htm I can quote many, but if u want to know something, search for it. a group of five American soldiers allegedly were involved in the rape and murder of Abeer Qassim Hamza, a young Iraqi girl. Her body was then set on fire to cover up their crimes, her father, mother, and sister murdered…………READ full in the link below…. http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0713-33.htm http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0916-09.htm according to a 2003 report by the Justice Department's inspector general. Arab students were locked up as suspected terrorists for working at pizza parlors http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11852.htm http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/contentbe/dispatch/2006/12/10/20061210-B4-03.html http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-04/04/article05.shtml rest you can search for your own, because I really do not want to win over you or satisfy you, I just write what I feel. And there is not a single person who is 100 % popular. Some like some dislike. Its natural.