Yes absolutely! Read this evidence at http://www.tupacfans.com/alive.php i'm not saying he is alive or isn't but there are some big IF's & if the IF's are proved to be right then theres a big cover up!! I need someone like you to get to the bottom of this.
no ... my argument goes like this... The plot these guys were allegedly plotting was not possible, in all kinds of different ways. I mean, chemically, physically, logistically, the works. It just wasn't gonna happen. So let's number the possibilities, this one's number zero. Zero is the term that vanishes, this is the one that couldn't possibly happen. So what did happen? The scenario you outlined is pretty loony but I suppose it could happen. I kinda doubt it but it's possible, I guess. We can call it #1. There's also a possibility that the US/UK governments made the whole thing up. This is even loonier than the first one, I think. Bring all the tin-foil hats on this one! But it is possible, and since the official story is demonstrably impossible, we're more or less bound to look at every alternative that is provably possible, I think ... if only to say we've done so... Right? anyway, there's this one, #2. The story is all fiction, from one end to the other. Here's a much different alternative, #3. A government counter-terror agent infiltrated a group of half-witted jihadi wanna-be's, and convinced them he was a master bomb-maker and that they could really do what they were supposedly plotting to do. So they were actually plotting to do it and only out guy in the middle, our undercover mole, knew it wouldn't work. That's a bit far-fetched, too, isn't it? But I think it's less loony than either of our first two. I can imagine a bunch of young Muslims pissed off enough to want to hurt somebody and not really motivated to do any independent research on something they were taught by somebody they'd grown to trust. So there's a certain amount of believe-ability on this one, even if it really does need the right man at the right place at the right time. Anyway, this is #3. Here's another one. #4: The guys (and one woman) arrested in the UK on August 8/9 were supposedly fingered by the arrest of a legitimate no-question (or is there?) bad-guy by the name of Rashid Rauf, who was picked up in Pakistan. Rauf has alleged or proven connections to three different "banned terrorist groups", one based in India and the other two in Pakistan. He started out in England (Birmingham) but left for Pak and stayed there shortly after his uncle was murdered (also in B'ham). (I could give you links to all this but I don't have privileges ... but if you visit my blog you can get the live links. Anyway...) Rashid Rauf was described as all kinds of things, including "the al-Q'aeda connection" ... but nothing has ever been proven about him. He's still a big part of this mystery. And among the people who were arrested but later released without charges was Rashid Rauf's brother, Tayib Rauf, who was detained for two weeks before he was released. (British authorities said they'd had the "plotters" under surveillance for many months, in some cases a year and a half. But the only photo they could produce of Tayib Rauf, brother of the alleged al-Q connection, was a shot of him leaving a bakery with a few bags of rolls in his arms.) Sorry to keep digressing but there are all these background details you'd have to know about in order to understand the next bit. Some people (including a former UK ambassador) have suggested is that Rashid Rauf was arrested and tortured (torture is quite common in Pakistan, especially in terrorism related cases) and he made up the whole story, gave them the names of everybody he still knew in the UK, including his brother, just to get them to stop the torture. So that's the story according to theory #4. The people who like #4 tend to point out that both the UK and the US governments were getting hammered in the news in early August (and Israel was hammering Lebanon too at the time) and they siezed on this opportunity to change the subject. Or something like that. And #4 seems to be supported by a report (from NBC news) saying the Americans had threatened to capture Rashid Rauf themselves if the Pakistanis didn't do so. I still think there's a #5 around somewhere but I can't put my finger on it. Not yet anyway. I still don't know what to think. It could be any of the things we've been talking about. It could be something entirely different -- something unlike any explanation anyone has offered. And so I'm just sitting here watching and waiting. When I say "watching", I mean I have google alerts set for the names of all the people involved in this story, and whenever anything happens involving anything about any of them I find out. ~~~ According to just about any of these theories, or almost any #5 you can come up with, the reaction of both the US and UK governments was either based on a pack of deliberate lies or else a thoroughly incompetent over-reaction. If it was deliberate lies that pisses me off. If it was just incompetence, I mean if they were lied to by the people who interrogated Rashid Rauf for instance (#4 or some variation), then what the heck? Didn't they have a chemistry expert they could call and say "Is this right? Does this pose a danger??" and go from there? ~~~ I know all this is out of left field for some of you but I try to be reasonable ... and if you can think of any other explanation (reasonable or otherwise) I would love to hear it. We've looked at some loony stuff already so don't be shy! ;-) ~~~ Sorry this post is so long and I thank you if you've read it all in which case we might have need for a little joke. I've also got google alerts set for the names of all the guys in the UK fertilizer trial that just ended, and one of them had changed his name to "Anthony Garcia", so my alert goes off whenever there's a news story about "Anthony Garcia" ... anyway, there's a really good college ballplayer out in California named Anthony Garcia, and another guy with the same name has also been in the baseball news lately, for running onto the field at a Yankees game! takes all kinds, I suppose. anyway thanks for your interest in this case, if any ... and please don't be shy if you have something to say about it ... I've still got a lot more questions than answers.
Or it could be a group of wacky Muslim piglets that got some wacky idea into their head to blow up planes with liquid explosives but didn't really understand how or if it was possible to do so but were looking into it & thought it would work, as liquid explosives would get through security whilst a real bomb would not. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. The authorities found out & banged these wacky muslim piglets up, the little wacky muslim piglets not wanting to spend years in prison on conspiracy to bomb charges decided to plea not guilty to get off the charges to carry on killing stupid infidels that absolve them of their crimes. Anyway what do you think to the 2pac theories Winter?
There's been some movies where they mix liquids on a plane and come out of the bathroom with "explosives" but that's just the movies, guys. No doubt wacky Muslims are out there. I don't just focus on this case. I write about Pakistan regularly. In the calendar year 2006, there were more than 900 terrorist attacks in Pak! Attacks!! Not "foiled plots", not "foiled alleged plots". "Attacks". I'm talking about bombs going off and stuff like that. But this is different. This is about devoting all sorts of resources to defending against an attack that wouldn't even work anyway. There's just something awkward about it all ... even if it's all innocent ... but it smells fishy too... I gotta run ... more later.
yeah ... there were a lot of other "plots" like that, where they couldn't have done what they were supposedly planning to do, and doesn't it just make you wonder?
If i was planning to come & shoot you winter would you feel safe in the knowledge that i didn't have the fare to get to you yet? would you not mind me planning such a thing? when would you like me to be stopped by the authorities, when i'm planning it, when i'm on my way to your house, or maybe after i've shot you? You after to admit no matter how stupid a terrorist is their intent to kill is real. What do you think to the 2pac theories have you had a look into it yet?
No. It does not. I have seen the kind who plan these type of attacks. Yes, they are not the brightest bunch. Jumping out from behind a building with a Kalashnikova and trying to spray a shielded HMMWV at 300 yards is just 'tard. They look all surprised when they get clipped. the problem is that some of them do get through, and do achieve what they set out to do, no matter how improbable their chances are.
These are good questions and of course if you were planning to shoot me but you were far away with no money, I would have less to worry about than if you were in the same room with me! That doesn't mean I wouldn't want you stopped a long time before you got here. But if you were in another city and didn't have the fare to travel then I would be a fool to claim the plot was an imminent danger. And my question is a bit different. Suppose you were plotting to burn down my house by rubbing two sticks together. It's ludicrous, and it would never work, but you saw it in a move somewhere that people can make a fire that way and this is what you're plotting to do. Suppose the government finds out about your plot. What should they do about it? I wouldn't mind if they kept an eye on you -- you might be dangerous. But what if they came along with a big security alert and declared that from now on, nobody can have sticks? Suppose they turn around and ban hockey and lacrosse and knitting, because somebody could rub two sticks together? I mean, what is a logical response to this non-existent threat?