Really? http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/rudolph/ http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/10/waagner/index.html http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2000/09/also_wanted.html http://jdallen.org/news/christian-terrorist-attempts-car-bombing-in-iowa/ http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/history_extreme.asp National Liberation Front of Tripura - A Christian fundamentalist group in India accused of ethnic cleansing, bombings and gunpoint conversions http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/nlft.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm And not forgetting these friendly guys http://www.kkk.com/ It's a sad fact that religion always breeds nutcases that think they're given the right to kill for what they believe.
But did you notice one thing, they all did different things, which makes me believe it's actually nothing to do with their religion telling them to do these things. Muslim terrorists always have the same thing in mind kill the infidels, where do they get that message from, is this part of their religion & do some follow these rules? Like i said before:
Don't Muslim terrorists also do different things? Bombings, killings, hijackings stoneings? All for different reasons, same as Christian terrorists? Just for the same reasons as Christain terrorists, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:infidel&btnG=Google+Search You could just as easily apply any of those definitions to either group. Just goes to show how dangerous religion is in the hands of a low IQ idiot.
Doesn't the KKK do different things too. I mean some kill blacks others don't, some protest against blacks, some don't like them because their criminals & drug pushers, some hate them because their not human, some think they are ok but don't deserve to be treat as equals. What they have in common though is the hatred for one thing, blacks, just like Muslim terrorists have one thing in common death to the west or the belief the west is evil this is because the west isn't like their countries, they are taught this hatred by their Muslims leaders & from their quran. "stoneings" if you want to class them as terrorism proves my point even further, stoning is common place in Muslim countries, that's their law & Islamic humanity on display for the whole world to see. Muslims believe this is a fair & just punishment, so you have yourself have classed many Muslims as terrorists. All those Christian terrorist attacks are condemned by Christians & their church too.
I'm not quite sure I do get your point? You're saying Christian terrorists don't do things in the name of their religion? Why are they Christian then, why not just terrorists? Depends which offshot you're looking at, Christiantity and Islam have many offshoots with little parity. I doubt you'll find the Westbro Baptist Church speaking up against a homophobic attack just as you won't find a mad mullah disagreeing with a Muslim one
Anyway Matt your whole argument is flawed anyway, i'm not sure if you read the thread: What somebody wanted to know is why doesn't the media say "Christian stole car", "Christian shot shop owner" etc the answer was: Which is true. So you can't argue against that
Excellent, I'm glad we both agree on that. Terrorists exist in almost all religions, it makes me laugh when morons spout, It just shows their ignorance.
I agree, there are good Muslims but i believe their religion is fundamentally violent, which causes terrorism.
I think most religions are fundamentally violent, nothing has caused more wars throughout history than belief that you've got a God given right to do something.
Where is Jesus violent? and what does He tell His followers to do? Toopac explained things quite plainly, I am surprised you couldn't figure it out.
So Stalin, Hitler, etc believed they had a "God given right" to murder 10's of millions of people in an effort to bring about communism/socialism which has no place for religion? Interesting. WWII cost 72 million lives. 41 million were civilians. 11.8 million were killed in Russia alone. 16 million were killed in China. 5.7 million were killed in the holocaust. Atheists murder millions of unborn babies every year. Atheists have gone to great lengths to murder religious people. So by religion being the problem you mean that religion makes atheists want to murder people. That's the same argument Muslim terrorists use. If we'd all just become Muslim, Muslims wouldn't have a reason to murder people. So really, it's our fault. As I pointed out in another thread: Abortion clinic bombers have killed 1 or 2 people from 1998 to 2004. The first murder happened in 1998. 21 years after the first attack on an abortion clinic. People who attack abortion clinics attack when the fewest people are around. Their goal is not to kill people. Also, nobody condons or makes excuses for those people. That's why they are very rare. There's no shortage of excuses for Muslim terrorists who murder thousands every year of every race and religion not their own. The Spanish Inquisition executed 3000-5000 people out of 150,000+ they questioned. The crusades killed about 9 million people. Half of which were Christian. Summing those up doesn't come close to the number murdered by atheists in efforts to eradicate religion. But seriously guys, religion is obviously the problem here. /cartman
That would be lovely if Hitler didn't consider himself a Christian, From Mein Kamph As for Stalin, religion wasn't his problem, the quest for power was. The church was allowed to exist in the Soviet Union relatively unmolested, albeit with any power it had removed.
hitler didn't consider himself a Christian and the quote you provide pretty much proves that point. For in Christianity, Paul tells us to reach out to the Jews first. Your arguments are flawed and as one-way as they were a last year when you tried to prove islam was a race. One way outrage for Christians and Jews, never a peep on islam. All part of the multiculturalism thing. I still have some of your old, disturbing posts bookmarked from last year. It's interesting you bring up Mein Kamph. It's a number one best seller in islamic countries and often a foundation for islamic attacks. I wonder why? Even more interesting that you bring up the KKK, as it's clear who they are aligning with these days: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/index.html http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&category=Local News&prid=11371 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2149297,00.html http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/577 http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/538 http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/195 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19599&sid=142c1ab5d813c8e26e3b4d54189a4e07 http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1431 (one of your local buds, gworld) http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/012qltyo.asp http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12436 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/12/MN192483.DTL http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45618 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236014,00.html[/QUOTE] Let's see what a muslim has to say about this: The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim The moral equivalence comparison between islamic terrorism and a few abortion clinic bombings is laughable, at best. Obviously missing from your preferred quote of choice is whether they were even committed by Christians or not. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that they are, the target was very isloated and directed, where as islam's terrorism goals is to kill anything with a lung. Though a weak effort on your part to portray equivalence to abortion bombings, let's see what islamic terrorists have done just this month alone: There's a good forty+ in just the past few days. A few days worth of time, compared to 1977 - 2006? Not even close.
The Communist Manifesto expressly forbids religion. Hitler used religion but ultimately sought to rid the world of it. Socialism also has no place for religion. I have no doubt that Hitler started off a Christian. But he ultimately denouced all religion. For some reason Christianity and the murder of Jews just don't go together. And since Hitler liked killing Jews he had to get rid of religion. A lot of people do that. Religion can make people feel bad about themselves. The denounce religion so they don't have to feel bad about what they're doing. China still imprisons people of any religion who don't register with the government first. When the Mormon church made a big deal about getting into China it was really stupid. Christians have been in China long before the Mormons showed up. The Mormon church registered with the government like anyone can. Since the Mormon church preaches obedience to the government of course China wouldn't care if they have members there. The Mormon church flew nazi banners in their churches in Germany during WWII. Christians just realize that they can't faithfully practice their religion because some teachings of Christianity are contrary to the Chinese government. They put God before government and risk their lives doing it. People of many religions will sacrifice their beliefs to keep their heads. It gives the illusion of religious freedom but it's nowhere to be found. When you have to cater your religion to your government or risk death you are not free to practice religion.
Oh, so you guys say he's not a Christian (despite obvious influence in his writing) then he's not one (where's the doh! smiley ) The Communists also believed that all men were equal, but that clearly wasn't the case now was it? Don't make the mistake of equating Socialism and National Socialism, the two are very different. Just because Christians don't want to claim Hitler (for obvious reasons) doesn't mean he didn't consider himself one.