How to Ban Your Rival's Adsense Account In 5 Days

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    This is what my rival did to me making my adsense account banned. I could not believe it that Google is so stupid in banning good publishers that are also powerless against click-fraud. My rival clicked around 500 times on the ads. Even I submitted support ticket notifying them about sabotage attempt, Google did go ahead ban me.

    We have to bring Google's attention to this matter; otherwise, they will sit, relax and keep banning honest publishers, for their so-called sake of advertisers. Why doesn't Google ban all good publishers for the sake of advertisers then?

    If you have rival who runs adsense, doing following steps will ban his account for good, even he noticed it and reported to Google.

    Step 1: open up your rival's website(s). If you see adsense ads, click all of them and hit F5 to refresh the page. Click all ads again and refresh, repeat a few times more. Go to different page, click all the ads, refresh and repeat a few times. Go to several pages more, click all the ads.

    Step 2: The day after, using another internet connection, computer or proxy, go back to the website and repeat Step 1.

    Step 3: In the 3rd day, using different IPs and browsers, clickbomb on the ads like in Step 1. Make sure it's at least 200 clicks. Now wait 2 more days, the rival's adsense account will be banned for good.

    FAQ:

    Q: Is it illegal doing so by clicking hundreds of times on the ads?
    A: No. There's no such law prohibiting you from clicking links a few hundreds times. You like the links. You click them. Just do not blackmail anybody especially google.

    Q: Why do you need to do this?
    A: For bad guy, you can cut revenue stream of your rivals making them go bankrupt. For good adsense publisher, you can bring google's attention into this matter. The click-fraud banning is so unfair to all of us. This is the only thing you can do to protect your account.

    Q: Is it guaranteed?
    A: Yes. My adsense account was banned 5 days after a known rival click like 500 times on the ads.

    Q: Will support ticket to Adsense Team help them?
    A: No. Adsense Team is fake. Report to adsense team is regarded as a joke. Google will ban no matter what (shame). Goolgle will never listen (shame). Google lies (shame).

    Q: Is it true that Google employs real human to ban adsense account?
    A: I believe it's NOT true. The ban email was sent to me in the middle of the night (Eastern Time). It's too early in the morning in Europe. So there is no real human doing at this time. I could be wrong, because Google may hire people in India, but it's very unlikely.

    Q: Can you outsmart Google?
    A: Yes. Google is stupid. I mean their banning algorithm is. Why on earth do they ban good-standing publishers in flash of sabotage attempt? That is so stupid.

    Q: Can you tell me more about your story?
    A: Read the whole story at: Remove Your Enemies From Yahoo Search In 48h Thread

    Possible Solutions for Google:


    I'd like to propose some solutions to Google:

    #1 Allow publisher to filter invalid clicks manually. If we see abnormal CTR from IPs, we can deduct the earnings back to advertisers ourselves. Doing this will both save Google's resources and provide some control to us.

    #2 Google should develop a Resolution System. If there's any suspicious activity, Google would first issue a ticket that publisher has to solve. Withdrawal is forced to on-hold but ads operates normally until the issue is solved. Doing this ensure that publisher won't lose a dime during the sabotage attempt. Google may ban later if the publisher fails to solve the issue within 4 weeks or so. It'd not be too late to refund to advertisers because earnings have been already forced on-hold.

    #3 Google should value the support tickets to adsense team when publisher reports the suspicious activities on his account. Now adsense banning/reinstating and support are operated independently. Support tickets are ignored when you're banned.

    #4 Google should differentiate sabotage attempt from click-fraud. Why would a long-, good-standing publisher clickbomb on his ads? There is no reason to do so, unless he wants to cancel his adsense account. I propose that surge of clicks made in good-standing publisher's account are automatically filtered as "sabotage attempt", refunded back to advertisers, and notified the publisher. Publisher shouldn't be punished for this "sabotage" reason, because it's not in his control.

    #5 Google should hire many more employees for Adsense department. It takes a week to ban an account and another week to respond to appeal. This is serious backlog. Google earns millions if not billions from publishers' effort. Could it please just cut small percentage of that to improve publisher's experience?
     
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    #2
    WRONG.......ITS click fraud.......

    This is the most ignorant post I have ever seen....
     
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  3. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #3
    There is no law against click-fraud per se, but the actions you propose are illegal.

    If it happened to me, you could be assured you would be sued for the full damage caused by your actions.
    See Tortious interference

    It seems to me you may wish to consult a lawyer about your potential claim against the clicker.
     
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    it seems you are angry, why is that?
     
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  5. brandnewx

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    Listen, I know many of you are good publishers. You're powerless when somebody clickbomb on your ads. (Nah forget AdLogger! I used it and my account was banned). Do you want to wait to get plucked out by your rival or what?

    DP is big. Let's shout to Google that we don't like the way they ban us for the click-fraud that we didn't commit.
     
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    i agree.......
     
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    Clickfraud? Wrong! You're neither the publisher who owns the site nor the advertiser. So this is not click fraud. Fraud who? You don't earn a dime from this.

    Let me ask you this, if a person who doesn't know that the links are paid, he clicks and clicks on it to view hundreds of websites. Is that illegal? Clicking the links is not illegal, unless you blackmail Google for your action.
     
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    Remember: the f*cking point of this thread is to urge Google to improve their banning algorithm. Can you ask them to change the easy way? They won't. We have emailed them, haven't we?
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Elements

    Although the specific elements required to prove a claim of tortious interference vary from one jurisdiction to another, they typically include the following:

    1. The existence of a contractual relationship or beneficial business relationship between two parties.
    2. Knowledge of that relationship by a third party.
    3. Intent of the third party to induce a party to the relationship to breach the relationship.
    4. Lack of any privilege on the part of the third party to induce such a breach.
    5. Damage to the party against whom the breach occurs.


    Your anger should be directed to the person who damaged you, not Google, who was protecting itself and it's advertisers from the false clicks you acknowledge on your account.

    I would think, depending on the value of your lost adsense account, you have a decent case against the clicker.

    As far as solutions, start an LLC, get a new adsense account and start over. Inform them that the sites have been purchased by the LLC and are not owned by the previous owner. An LLC is a different legal entity and will be treated as such by Google.
     
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    For small publishers or the ones who live in different jurisdiction, sueing is not an option. It's too costly. It'll not offset the cost of even plane ticket.

    browntwn, thanks for suggestion, mate. I'll be transferring ownership of my sites.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #11

    I agree, legal solutions are almost always cost prohibitive.
    (your suit is not against google, but against the person who clicked on your account. Depending on where you live, you might be able to bring that lawsuit in your jurisdiction)

    I would try to calm down, eventhough you seem to be getting screwed. Then try to explain, slowly and simply, to adsense what you think happened to your account.

    Many people here expect an immediate response. The pace of business is sometimes very slow. I would be very patient while trying to explain the situation to google. I would not be surprised if this took 2-6 weeks before you were able to get the personal review and attention your case requires for proper resolution. Do not just assume because you don't get immediate satisfaction that you can't or wont get it.
     
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    Yes people...I don't agree with what he's suggesting, but

    LETS GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO GOOGLE!
     
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    I have always been calm. My appeal email was written in professional begging language. I had informed them days before ban that my rival was clicking on the ads. I had the ticket numbers to use as reference.

    I think the whole issues lies in Google. Anybody can go and click on your ads. Believe it. It's not illegal. Nobody has been jailed for repeatedly clicking links, except the one who blackmailed Google for money. If Google filter the clicks well, there has never been an issue. If Google allows us to filter the clicks ourselves, there wouldn't be an issue.

    I'd like to propose some solutions to Google:

    #1 Allow publisher to filter invalid clicks manually. If we see abnormal CTR from IPs, we can deduct the earnings back to advertisers ourselves. Doing this will both save Google's resources and provide some control to us.

    #2 Google should develop a Resolution System. If there's any suspicious activity, Google would first issue a ticket that publisher has to solve. Withdrawal is forced to on-hold but ads operates normally until the issue is solved. Doing this ensure that publisher won't lose a dime during the sabotage attempt. Google may ban later if the publisher fails to solve the issue within 4 weeks or so. It'd not be too late to refund to advertisers because earnings have been already forced on-hold.

    #3 Google should value the support tickets to adsense team when publisher reports the suspicious activities on his account. Now adsense banning/reinstating and support are operated independently. Support tickets are ignored when you're banned.

    #4 Google should differentiate sabotage attempt from click-fraud. Why would a long-, good-standing publisher clickbomb on his ads? There is no reason to do so, unless he wants to cancel his adsense account. I propose that surge of clicks made in good-standing publisher's account are automatically filtered as "sabotage attempt", refunded back to advertisers, and notified the publisher. Publisher shouldn't be punished for this "sabotage" reason, because it's not in his control.

    #5 Google should hire many more employees for Adsense department. It takes a week to ban an account and another week to respond to appeal. This is serious backlog. Google earns millions if not billions from publishers' effort. Could it please just cut small percentage of that to improve publisher's experience?
     
    brandnewx, May 16, 2007 IP
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    Any what happened after the appeal, if I may ask?
     
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    Crap.... Someone delete this crappy post... useless waste of time
     
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    Hmm somebody is begging me to click on his ads. Let's see if you could protect yourself and call a serious issue crap again.
     
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    I do not agree on the post in full BUT talking to Adsense support sometimes can be hard its like lottery. There is many ways to protect your Adsense account and Google should tell you about them. One is to install a program that just show the Adsense ads one time for the user. It is silly that users have to protect themself but you should. I am sorry for your loss brandnewx its difficlut to start over i know but try :)
     
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    The "Hoop jumping" is one of the main reasons that I think adsense is a joke, and you will never see it on any of my personal sites. EVER!!!
    How did I even get in this section?
     
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    Transferring banned sites to another entity will not work. Google blacklists banned sites for a period of time (about 6 months). That's why you have to be careful when buying a site that has been banned. Google suggests waiting six months before putting adsense code on again.
     
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    Some Valuable points here. May be Google should actually work this out. Hope they hear you :).

    ~G
     
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