Pakistan's Christians Warned to 'Convert' or Face Eviction...

If you find no fault in a religion, no matter what religion, then you truly are a nutjob. I think you have blotted out the negatives so you can live in your own happy world, which only exists in your head.

 

I concur. I am an Atheist, and it's easy for me to find fault in my own religion.

Christians also seem to have no difficulty in critically examining their beliefs.

Muslims seem just too tied up in third-world machismo to be comfortable with critical analysis of their religion. They tend to murder people who try -- which is a major expression of discomfort.

 

So far you're batting 1000

 

Heh! Yeah, ags was outraged at Christians being peaceful, but when it comes to forced conversions in islam, he's all for it. One way outrage and it's always for the evils of the world. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, to be sure.

 

STIIILLLLLLLLL batting 1000

 

Q. (a) Is belief in the existence of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) cardinal to Islamic faith?



(b) Will he appear again at the end, and if so, what will be his purpose? Is there any other Prophet still alive?



Ans. (a) Yes, Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt). We believe that he was the Messiah, translated ‘Christ’. We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe. We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission. We believe that he healed those born blind and the lepers with God’s permission.



Allah says in the Qur'an regarding Jesus Christ (pbuh):



And remember Jesus the son of Mary said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you…” (Surah Saff 61:6)



Infact Islam makes it an article of faith to believe not only in Jesus Christ (pbuh) but all the Messengers that preceded and followed him. By name only twenty-five Messengers are mentioned in the Qur'an. Allah instructs us in the Qur'an:



“O you who believe! believe in Allah and his Messenger and the scripture which He has sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). And who denies Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers and the Day of Judgment have gone far far astray.” (Al-Qur'an 4:136)



Thus belief in the Messengers, including Jesus (pbuh) is an important belief of Islam. Though Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name twenty-five times in the Qur'an, he is also referred with other respectable terms such as ‘Ibne Maryam’ - son of Mary; as ‘Masih’ – translated Christ, as ‘Rasulullah’ - Messenger of Allah, as ‘Abdullah’ – servant of Allah, as ‘a word of Allah’, as ‘a spirit proceeding from Allah’, as ‘a sign of Allah’ and numerous other epithets spread over fifteen different chapters of the Qur'an.



(b) It is also true that the Muslims, on the authority of the Qur'an and the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ (pbuh). He was the only Prophet of Allah who was raised up alive. Allah says:



‘…They said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them; and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.’(Al-Qur'an 4:157-158)



Allah mentions the second coming of Jesus Christ (pbuh) in the following verse of the Qur'an:



“And indeed, he (i.e. Jesus) will be (a sign for) knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.” (Al-Qur'an 43:61)



The reason why Jesus (pbuh) is the only Prophet of Allah who was raised up alive by Allah is because he was the only Prophet whose “followers” mistook him as God. They wrongly say that he claimed divinity. Thus he will come back again to this world to clarify all such misconceptions. Says Allah in the Qur'an:



‘And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! did you say unto men worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to You! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing you would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart though I know not what is in yours. For You know in full all that is hidden.’ (Al-Qur'an 5:116)



There are no less than seventy Ahadith that speak of the second coming of Jesus Christ (pbuh). In one of the Ahadith, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said:



"By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims who are in the protection of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.” (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3. Hadith no. 425)



It should also be borne in mind that Jesus Christ (pbuh), in his second coming will not be coming with any new message or revelation. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said:



"How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur'an and not by the law of the Gospel”. (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4. Hadith No. 658)



Let’s now analyse the following words attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh) in the Bible:



"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” [The Bible, Mathew 7:22-24]



In the verses quoted above, Jesus (pbuh) said that in his second coming, he would ask the people to depart from him, to get away from him because he wouldn’t know them. Who are these people? The Muslims or the Hindus? The answer is neither Hindus nor Muslims but the Christians, because Muslims or Hindus do not claim to do “Miracles” in the name of Jesus Christ (pbuh) nor do they cast out devils in his name.



Thus Muslims believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh) to be one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah and also believe in his second coming.

 

Oh great, more Islamic spam.

 

Have you given the thought to the possibilty that Muslims try hard to find faults in their religion but they can't?

 

its because if their imam tells them enough, and they tell it enough, it becomes truth...which is why ahmed_malik is proved wrong all the time...

 

"As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them
Whether thou warn them or do not warn them;
They will not believe.
"Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil
Great is the penalty they incur."
[Al-Qur’an 2:6-7]

 

If you believe in Jesus and if your ideology tells you so, then why don't you heed to his gospel?

Ahh its all a joke, right? Distortion and so.

The words and deeds of Jesus are contrair to the words and deeds of muhammad.
Both can't be right.

Warning!
Dualism of this kind doesn't digest well in the civilized parts of the world.

 

Any “civilized” person give me a single unquoted Clear statement from all the versions of Bible where Jesus (peace be upon him) himself said “I am God” or where he himself said “Worship me”
I will be a Christian right away. Waiting……….For a “Civilized Person”

 

They seem to have blinders on that prevent them from seeing this thread

Never a bad word!

 

Frightening some people just doesn't work enjoy your Allah.

 

This isn't Pakistan, where you can convert people by threatening them.

We don't work that way around here.

 

What do you mean? Do you think Bible does not talk of hell and heaven and does not promise hell fire for those who indulge in wrong doing? Yes I am enjoying my Allah and also my beloved Jesus, for with out believing in him, I am Nothing. But if you call the “warnings from our lord in sacred scriptures (almost all of the religion exist in world)” as frightening people, then tell me any Holy book which does not talk about same as Muslims book, I am ready to accept that religion. So come to me with solid points, not with sarcastic words for me or Allah.
Secondly I did not try to make things work for you. Why should I at first place. If you think what you believe in is RIGHT, then tell me also, so I can too adopt that RIGHT and save myself from hell. Lemme say your ironic tone also won’t work here. (Only if you really are interested in your own religion) Convert me with your solid points or else at least listen other person and research yourself (if he is saying right or wrong. No other option. But if are not interested / practicing your religion and just sit here for fun, then good luck to you and have fun with your sitting.

 

Okay, fine, carry on with your way, no one intrested in converting you or anyone.
Who ever want to know the truth or to confirm its own religion, he or she is required some original research. So do it or else if you least bother about religions, then stay your way. No one will ever come to you and beg for converting. Islam is the fastest growing religion in USA (according to US officials). Who is forcing them? Infact no one can force the free people of USA except for corroborate information only mentioned in holy scriptures.

Read it yourself only if you want. Moreover, don’t worry no one will come to you ever, neither they force in Pakistan. It’s the time of powerful electronic media. If such thing existed anywhere in Pakistan, CNN and BCC (of what I am getting on subscriber) would have blasted Pakistan, but I never came across such thing what you have mentioned. Anyway……….

 

I know most religions use masked threats to make people who are already interested in that religion stay true to that religion, however most religious people don't post one quote from their book on a message forum which basically says "believe or be punished", only people who want to frighten people into converting do this.

I'm glad you enjoy Islam & all the benefits you believe get from it.

I'm an atheist & happy to be so i don't want to convince you that being an atheist makes sense or try to convert you as i'm happy for people to believe what they like, that's one of the privileges i have living in the UK.

 

Well this is your translation of the verse I posted. Any one can twist words according to its own convenience and need, but it never changes the original theme. I can also say your words are offensive and frightening to me. Every free person is gratis to say anything But I again articulate, simply blaming something does not make it like that. Civilized people need corroboration. For your better understanding, I am going to tell you something about islam and also how frightening Bible is (according to the standard you have set for Quran).

The terrorist acts attributed to Muslim suspects, should not be attributed to Islam or the Muslims in general but to individual human weaknesses. Such human failings occur among all religious and ethnic groups. Recorded history has not witnessed an incident similar to the ‘Holocaust’. However, one is not expected to and should not attribute the holocaust to Christianity or to Christians in general.

A number of skeptics have made comments about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Skeptics allege that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was “a violent man, a man of war”. Some further state that "Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses … Muhammad set an opposite example” (remember Jerry Falwell?). These skeptics somehow fail to realize that far from being a man of war, “…he (Muhammad) must be called the saviour of humanity”, as described thus by George Bernard Shaw.

Though the portrayal of Moses and Jesus (pbut) of being peace-loving people is fully in accordance with the teachings of the Qur’an, the Biblical testimony is contrary to it. Many quotations from these Biblical testimonies can be given to substantiate this claim, but considering the length of the post, I will simply furnish ONE incident that will prove my point, because in this ONE incident, no less than three thousand people were killed by the sword at the command of Biblical Moses. We read:

“(Moses said): ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbour’. The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.” (Exodus 32:27-28, NIV)

It is also a well-known fact that the total number of deaths that took place in ALL the wars fought during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was 1018. The biblical quotation given above and many such quotations appear to escape the grasp of those who allege against Muhammad (pbuh), further ignoring the words of Jesus:

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
(Matthew 7:1-2 KJV)

Islam is embraced by so many humans in all centuries because it is the Truth and it provides practical and comprehensive solutions to problems of humankind. Islam not only teaches good things but also shows practical ways of achieving that state of goodness.

Your surprise regarding frightening people to embrace Islam is justified. Today, though Islam happens to be the fastest growing religion in the world, it also happens to be the religion about which people have maximum number of misconceptions. This is largely because of the virulent propaganda by the media about Islam.

A Christian surveyor, Professor Edward reported in the Time Magazine of April 16, 1979 that in a span of 150 years, from 1800 CE to 1950 CE “over 60,000 books have been written against Islam by the Christian West.” Now, it is questionable, who has initiated, nurtured and collected the hatred which you have referred to, the Muslims or the Christian West?

Many are surprised that despite such propaganda being made against Islam, it still happens to be the fastest growing religion in today’s times. It is so, on the merits of its superior and noble teachings. Says Allah swt in the Glorious Qur'an:

“They (the non-Muslim enemies and critics of Islam) plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah”.
(Al-Qur'an 8:30)

You have advised me for not posting freighting verses of my scripture (according to your interpretation); I request you to direct your advice to those authorities, who only claim to be ‘peaceful, peace-loving people’ and ‘peace-keepers of the world’, but ironically have attacked thousands of innocent Muslims under the theme ‘War on terror’. The noted writer Arundhati Roy states: "So now we know. Pigs are horses. Girls are boys. War is Peace."

 

That's everyones translation except muslims who want to twist the words. What does the verse say to you, please give your translation? also would you please enlighten us as to why you posted the verse?

If you don't want to go back on what you already said, you have already admitted what the verse reads by posting this:

Wasn't that your way of justifying what that verse from the quran says?