Thank you Jackuul, great post! I found another thing I can do. On the website for the humane society they list business's that are not yet participating in the boycott of canadian seafood. One is Kroger, in which I have spent hundreds of dollars at every month for years, and they can verify that with my VIP card. So I am going to send them an email and tell them I am not shopping there any more, and I won't. It also list restaraunts that are participating and those that are not. I will no longer go to any restaraunt that sells seafood that is not participating. You can find list here: http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/..._seafood/seafood_boycott_what_you_can_do.html
Lol, the government does the same thing everyday by preventing "chick management" pimps get sent down, then their children get food taken out their mouths, should we release the pimps to continue "chick management"? I don't really think the issue should come down to just money but instead down to what's right. There are better ways to make money from animals without harming them needlessly this way everyone is happy, Except people who want to kill animals needlessly.
That's pretty easy to say when it's not your money. As long as you're good with that approach, I hope you don't mind if the government sets a new "web directory tax" on you to pay for the new "web directory bureau" to enforce what the government deems as "better ways to make money from web directories." You can then follow their directions instead of your own business sense. That should create a very efficient system, don't you think?
That money should not belong to the hunters, this should not be happening to begin with. Defenseless baby seals being clubbed to death and skinned solely to make some rich a**hole a jacket. Is this what you are defending? The fur belongs to the seals, not skinned off there poor little bodies. This is so completely evil, I can't even express the disgust I feel.
So people can do what they like, as wrong as it may be, to make money & if anyone disagrees or wants it stopped they must replace the lost income?
Personally, I do not eat anything that had a face and refuse to wear fur or leather. Although, my dog and cats are not vegetarians. But this thread is not about an attack on hunters, but an attack on cruelty. To kill another animal as humanely as possible for food, is something I am not happy about but have some acceptance for. But the seal hunt is just cruelty, read these excerpts from the humane society of the united states: "The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt, stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used. It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once. As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never recovered." "Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious. Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals alive." Read that again, "Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious." Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important? No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people, about 4,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year. The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it choose to do so. Source:Humane Society of the United States
Puhleeze... I have been arguing for wildlife management. It's the totalitarian socialists in this thread who have been arguing for absolutes -- all or nothing approaches to land use decisions. Rebecca, that is an emotional argument and it really is impossible to argue emotions. You are going to "feel" the way that you "feel" no matter what transpires here. Dialog is only useful for rational arguments. I don't like daffodils. Prove to me that daffodils are good.
In the mind of people who don't see the need in senseless killing of animals. Although I’m against hunting just for so-called "sport" this isn't the issue here, the killing documented by Rebecca of wolves is done not so killing/hunting can take place, but instead so even more killing can take place by having more targets available by eliminating a predator. I'm no vegan either, i do eat bacon, chicken & other meats, it's just senseless killing (killing for the fun of killing) that is unacceptable to me, the only thing worst is cruel senseless killing.
That again is just a matter of personal taste. I personally have no emotional attachment to predatory animals. We keep the wolf population down so that more of other types of animals can survive. I would have no attachment to those animals either, except that they taste good. The wolves are my competition, and I have no special love for my competitors. The only real difference between our positions is that I am not attempting to use the force of government to enforce my personal preferences on other people.
Killing my predator so i can be killed by you isn't my idea of surviving. I'm glad not the hunted in Alaska
I don't think an issue is really worth debating unless you have strong feelings, otherwise why bother? I guess not having emotions makes this ok for you: It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once. As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never recovered." "Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious." I think this is probably the only thing you have written in this thread that I can actually agree with.