As already mentioned I don't give a crap about any reasons bin laden may or may not have had. There is absolutely no excuse to kill 3,000 innocent people. Yea, and as I have heard before: "Well George Bush killed X number of people too!". But you need to take a look at the circumstances: Bin Laden killed when unprovoked, Bush is doing his best to defend the country and I believe he is doing a pretty good job at it as we haven't had any more attacks on American soil since. However, seeings as you probably still don't understand let me put it into some perspective for you... Everyday, I steal your lunch money and knock you around a bit (remind you of highschool? )... now say one day you get tired of it; The instant you hit me back are you just as bad as me? Or where you simply defending yourself? From your logic, it would be completely alright for me to beat the living hell out of you day in and day out while you did nothing about it. You would be a highschool bullies dream
I agree, and those 3000 were not killed becuase of Osama, it was again Bush who did this for certain reasons..
It pretty much sums him up. I could imagine ferret as president speaking to the public: "Today were attacked by terrorists who hijacked our own planes, killed thousands of people, destroyed our WTC's & destroyed the pentagon to some extent. However i understand Osama Bin Laden does have his reasons to do these things & we as a nation need to understand this. I have decided that i will take no action against him or others like him as that would make America no better than him. Therefore i send out a clear message to all emergency services, just clear up the mess, bury the dead & to my beloved public bury your head"
I saw that you responded to the post, but I didn't see you respond to any of the points. I was under the impression that you were preparing to do some spearfishing and would return after giving the post a good reading. Please take another stab at reading OBL and follow-through on your commitment to "look at the reasons for things." Also, please note that this is not the Iran thread. There is a separate thread for that topic. Here are the points: "These attacks took off the skin of the American wolf and they have been left standing in their filthy, naked reality. Thus the whole World awoke from its sleep and the Muslims realized the importance of the belief of loving and hating for the sake of Allah; the ties of brotherhood between the Muslims have become stronger, which is a very good sign and a great step towards the unity of Muslims and establishing the Righteous Islamic Khilafah insha-Allah." --- Osama bin Laden on the 9/11 murders. OBL wants to unite all Muslims for the purpose of establishing an Islamic caliphate ("Khilafah") which rules the world. The U.S. is irrelevant in all of this, except that we happen to be living on their planet and we must be displaced before their plans can be realized. Luckily for them, OBL has a plan:"O young people of Islam: Follow the orders of Almighty God and His messenger and kill those people. Follow the example of Muhammad Bin-Musallamah and his companions. Death is better than living on this earth with the unbelievers amongst us, making a mockery of our religion and prophet, God's peace and blessings upon him. Fear God, try to please Him, and do not consult with anyone regarding the killing of those unbelievers." -- Osama bin Laden The plan is to kill everyone who does not believe. This has nothing at all to do with American actions, with American foreign policy, with American defense of the Jews, etc... etc... Allah commands OBL and his people to kill us because we are non-believers. Nothing else is important. Not that he doesn't say "living in Israel with the unbelievers amongst us", he says "living on this earth with the unbelievers amongst us." He doesn't want Israel -- he wants the earth and he wants us off of it. How can we make peace with a movement which exists under these terms? Is this really something upon which you are willing to compromise? How interested in compromise are the Islamists?"Islam does not coincide or make a truce with unbelief, but rather confronts it. The confrontation that Islam calls for with these godless and apostate regimes, does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun." -- from an Al Qaeda training manualHere's a bonus quote for you. Guess where OBL's caliphate is to be headquartered?"The world's millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate." -- Osama bin Ladenferret, I must once again counsel you not to project your own quite civilized feelings, emotions, and thought patterns onto these people. They really do think differently than you do. Can you imagine yourself purposefully murdering thousands of people as part of a larger plan to murder millions of people so that you could establish an ancient religion as the sole government of the entire planet? Can you imagine dedicating your life to this goal, knowing that it is not likely to be achieved during your lifetime? You probably cannot. I certainly cannot. Osama bin Laden can and does -- and indeed he can think in no other way.
Well, if the plan was to kill all disbelievers, wouldn't he waited until he got nukes and blown up all of the western world instead of two towers..? I think it did have to do with american actions, american foreign policy and jews. Don't get me wrong, I hate osama bin laden.
You seem to forget that he's a leading figure supported by allmost all Muslims. He got his message through and more and more act according to this doctrine, regardless of Mulsims saying he's nuts or not. OB is a tool used by Saudi wahhabis and Saudi money - a follower of Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792), who stringently opposed all practices not sanctioned by the Koran. The Wahhabis, founded in the 18th century, are the most conservative Muslim group and are today found mainly in Saudi Arabia.
That's an interesting question. I can't tell you why Osama chose his exact set of strategies and tactics. He is clearly not perfect. He's made quite a few mistakes, but he's still doing quite well. The attack on the WTC was just one of thousands of attacks which Osama has ordered planned and executed. Like the rest of us, he uses the tools that he has. I am sure that once he achieves nuclear capabilities, he will begin to employ those tools also. It's interesting that you would think that. Osama has clearly explained why he acts in the way that he does and he does not agree with your assessment. It is important, if difficult, to not assume that people of other cultures think the same way that we do. I'm a freak. It is difficult to hate anyone that you truly understand. I can see where Osama is coming from, and if I believed the things that Osama believed my actions would mirror his. Osama is a true follower of Islam. He is merely following a strict and correct interpretation of his religion. Each and every one of us is capable of acts of terrible evil. In that way, we are all capable of being Osama bin Laden. Osama does not see himself as evil, he honestly and truly believes that the domination of the entire planet by totalitarian Islam and the complete destruction of freedom is a good thing. I disagree and would happily kill Osama to stop him, but yet I cannot quite say that I hate him. We are adversaries. We are competing to see which culture will survive. I will compete with all of my heart, but I will not hate my opponent.
How am I uninformed? If being a pro United States advocate, actually have the knowledge and information to legitimately back up what I am saying, and absolutely hating terrorism is uninformed, then yes I am. However it would appear, and I am sure most in this thread would back me up when I say... You're a complete idiot.
Are you now changing your position? try reading your posts they generally do reflect what i said earlier.
wow what a great response you pretend that patriotism is the same as knowledge and then try to call me names you should join a debate team
But it means they can spoil the whole barrel and thus cause people to get sick. That's why bad batches are incinerated.
"You know why I think bin laden did 911, because of american troops(infidels) in the holy lands of Saudi Arabia , and US support of Isreal, and "crusaders" threating middle east wealth." If you believe what you posted above then you would also believe he's justified in what he did, which is incompatable with wanting him attacked or dead. Maybe you just want him dead though for helping people?
I believe my response would get me a whole lot further in an actual debate than "Wow what a great response". At least I can use proper punctuation As far as patriotism goes, hell yea i'm patriotic. Unlike you I support our country. I don't try to mascarade that patriotism and knowledge are the same thing, how you magically jumped to this conclusion I am unsure. . . as far as I can tell you simply hate America and anyone that stands up for it. You have proven time and time again that you would rather support those that want to do us harm, and time and time again have been shot down by the likes of Gtech, Will, and others. And I didn't try to call you names. . . I did. I called you an idiot.