What American Muslims think about America

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by suitsme, May 9, 2007.

  1. asfi

    asfi Peon

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    #21
    They are feeling very insecure.....:confused:
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #22
    Are you finally admitting you agree with him? Looks like more aid and comfort to me. After all, you have a long history of supporting and defending anyone, especially "islamists" that wants to attack America.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #23
    "These attacks took off the skin of the American wolf and they have been left standing in their filthy, naked reality. Thus the whole World awoke from its sleep and the Muslims realized the importance of the belief of loving and hating for the sake of Allah; the ties of brotherhood between the Muslims have become stronger, which is a very good sign and a great step towards the unity of Muslims and establishing the Righteous Islamic Khilafah insha-Allah." --- Osama bin Laden on the 9/11 murders.
    OBL wants to unite all Muslims for the purpose of establishing an Islamic caliphate ("Khilafah") which rules the world.

    The U.S. is irrelevant in all of this, except that we happen to be living on their planet and we must be displaced before their plans can be realized.

    Luckily for them, OBL has a plan:
    "O young people of Islam: Follow the orders of Almighty God and His messenger and kill those people. Follow the example of Muhammad Bin-Musallamah and his companions. Death is better than living on this earth with the unbelievers amongst us, making a mockery of our religion and prophet, God's peace and blessings upon him. Fear God, try to please Him, and do not consult with anyone regarding the killing of those unbelievers." -- Osama bin Laden
    The plan is to kill everyone who does not believe. This has nothing at all to do with American actions, with American foreign policy, with American defense of the Jews, etc... etc...

    Allah commands OBL and his people to kill us because we are non-believers. Nothing else is important.

    Not that he doesn't say "livin in Israel with the unbelievers amongst us", he says "living on this earth with the unbelievers amongst us." He doesn't want Israel -- he wants the earth and he wants us off of it.

    How can we make peace with a movement which exists under these terms?

    Is this really something upon which you are willing to compromise?

    How interested in compromise are the Islamists?

    "Islam does not coincide or make a truce with unbelief, but rather confronts it. The confrontation that Islam calls for with these godless and apostate regimes, does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun." -- from an Al Qaeda training manual​

    Here's a bonus quote for you. Guess where OBL's caliphate is to be headquartered?

    "The world's millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate." -- Osama bin Laden​

    ferret, I must once again counsel you not to project your own quite civilized feelings, emotions, and thought patterns onto these people. They really do think differently than you do. Can you imagine yourself purposefully murdering thousands of people as part of a larger plan to murder millions of people so that you could establish an ancient religion as the sole government of the entire planet? Can you imagine dedicating your life to this goal, knowing that it is not likely to be achieved during your lifetime? You probably cannot. I certainly cannot. Osama bin Laden can and does -- and indeed he can think in no other way.
     
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  4. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #24
    http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=14036

    We are on the muslims' side in that conflict and look what it got us. Thanks!
     
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    stock_post Prominent Member

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    #25
    Well said, some kinds don't ever growup.

    They don't want to..
     
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  6. Toopac

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    #26
    I don't give a flying f about his "reasons" as you say.

    There's simply no reason all to kill 3000 people who have done nothing & there's no way to justify it.
     
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  7. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #27
    well you have look at the reasons for things if want to understand a situation
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #28
    No I am saying learn about stuff instead of being ignorant
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #29
    Sound advice, however that is not what you were saying. Why are you not following it yourself? Everyone else seems to be, but you.
     
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  10. Toopac

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    #30
    Since i can't understand the reason why 3000 innocent people were killed can you please explain to me why they were killed since you "understand"?
     
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    #31
    I agree. That is why I posted the reasons, in Osama's own words, just for you.

    But you haven't responded to the post.

    What do you think of Osama's words? Do you agree with him? Do you disagree with him?
     
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  12. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #32
    sorry responding to the post will take time and I have been busy

    Had to run out and get some stuff , going spearfishing tommorrow

    Bin Laden is another nut job who gets power by exploiting people

    Most people and most even most muslims think he is nuts but due to real and preceived injustices he is able to gain a following



    sure he does and let's see what will help him do that

    1) lets invade a muslim country thats not a threat to us, and occupy muslims land which we really have no right to and make sure we get long term contract sfor the oil supply that is there

    Well we did that I am sure that helped unite a lot of muslims against us

    Let me see what would 100% help unite all the muslims in the world against the US, why don't we premptively nuke a muslim country that has not attacked us. Like you suggested . Which side are you on again?

    Who said we should make peace with bin laden and Al Qeada, and when did Bin Laden sudden repersent all muslims? Isn't he a Sunni Wabbist and isn't most Iranians Shiites. They don't even get along with each other, the people who are supported by Iran in Iraq are the ones fighting the Al Qaeda people there.
     
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  13. Toopac

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    #33
    Are you now saying he didn't have a "reason" to kill 3000 innocents now?
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #34
    And you have a source for this? Or is this dishonest opinion?

    So you'd rather wait for a mushroom cloud over NY? A bit selfish on your part, but then you won't have to worry about it down in Florida.

    Apparently you missed the al jazeera poll I've posted about several times in the last six months that showed 49% of muslims polled supported bin laden?

    Are you assuming that muslims will not work together in a common goal? Not only will they work with each other, but will also work with non-muslims who have the same goal.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #35
    Seems like he's saying "let them do whatever they want, as along as "we" (the country he always berates) does nothing about it." That's the simple summary I'm getting out of it.

    Now if this were Christians or Jews doing all this, he'd be having fits and posting photos and have more outrage then you've ever seen in your life.
     
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  16. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #36
    http://priceofoil.org/2007/05/09/iraqi-union-set-to-strike-over-oil-law


    So we should start putting mushroom clouds over other countries?

    So we can be bigger terrorists?
     
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    #37
    got some facts to back that up? The way I look at it is if your buds would quite blowing themselves up so they could hopefully get some virgin (grapes?), and killing innocent people along with them, there would not be an issue. The problem lies in teaching, and when you have imams that teach hate, you breed terrorism, and then you get terrorism supporters, such as yourself.
     
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    #38
    America terrorising terrorists is traumatic for you ferret we know, but something has to be done when people want you dead, most people besides your friends don't want go to see God just yet.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #39
    there is probably no god, and if there is he doesn't give a shit about people , you don't get to go see him
     
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    #40
    I know ferret i'm an Atheist, however most people do believe in God hence my statement saying "most people besides your friends don't want go to see God just yet";)
     
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