What American Muslims think about America

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by suitsme, May 9, 2007.

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    73% of American Muslims identify themselves as Muslims first and American second.

    13% said they would not call the police if they found about a terror plot against the US.

    Another 11% said they weren't sure what they would do if they uncovered a terrorist plot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIiVy-gKOd0&NR=1
     
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  2. Johnny Inferno

    Johnny Inferno Active Member

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    #2
    27% of muslims identify themselves as americans first and muslims second.

    87% said they would call the police if they found out about a terror plot.

    89% said they would know what to do if they uncovered a terrorist plot.

    :p -- It's not uncommon to put once faith before everything else, I'm sure if you asked other people they would say that to. I would not renounce my faith just to be part of a huge melting pot "aka the us".. :/

    btw, why is EVERYTHING here about the US and muslims, sheesh.
     
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  3. allout

    allout Prominent Member

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    #3
    Where do you get those numbers?

    It is not uncommon for any person to put their religion first. If you look at the founding of the United States, a lot of people leaving England was for religious reasons. Ones faith does not make them terrorist nor does being a Muslim. For every religion known to man, I can find some group that do terrorist things in the name of their faith.
     
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  4. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    Find one single terrorist Jackuulite.
     
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  5. sami

    sami Peon

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    gorge W bush :cool:

    He is the biggest terrorist that is living in our time. He is responsible for the death of
    1 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of you would say its bin laden
    but don't forget Osama bin laden was the responsible for the death of 3000
    people :rolleyes: which is NOTHING in comparison with Bush.:eek:
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    George W. Bush doesn't even know about my religion.

    Secondly, Americans have not killed a million people in the War on Terror.

    Thirdly, there have been more deaths caused by Usama and his allies than have been caused by the Americans and their allies.

    Fourthly, I blame you personally for World War I. That makes as much sense as what you said. It's your fault that the Duke was shot. Sami caused WWI and 17 million deaths.

    That's exactly the kind of thing you just uttered about the current Ape in Charge of America.
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    This is akin to blaming police officers for crime.

    Grow up.
     
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  8. mubheer

    mubheer Active Member

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    take alook at the history and see the victims.....just take the case of japan, afghan, iraq and lebanon...dont forget the first troop to reach iraq was none but officials from oil companies owned by BUSH.....

    its not fair to call muslims as terrorists....look at the world as a whole and compare the muslim culture, then you will find its good or not....

    take the case of india, how many poor people are killed in the name of religious hatred....and the tension still survives in some places.....

    is it fair to call a muslim women cultureless because she prefers the hijab to a bra and panty to walk through the road....

    everything has its own mertis and demerits....
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Bush doesn't own oil companies. Here are victims that history will probably not remember. Here's the list, so far, just this week (beginning Monday):

     
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    mng026 Peon

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    Has everyone forgot the he killed and gassed his own people?
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    I do not believe that rich white liberals give a damn about brown victims.

    Now, if the Islamists bombed Hollywood and killed some pop tarts, we would have no trouble getting funding for the troops...
     
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    Louis11 Active Member

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    It's funny that you would call George W. Bush a terrorist. It's even more comical to hear your revelation regarding the numbers of dead at the hands of each individual (Bin Laden as opposed to Bush). What you neglected to mention is that the War on terror was heavily influenced by the murder of 3,000 civilians and for no apparent reason.

    It seems you have a distorted view of what "terrorism" is. Let me explain it for you: If you fly planes into a building full of civilians, or blow up cars in a crowded area... you're a terrorist. If you hunt down the very people who would love to saw off your head on video, then your George Bush.

    I can tell from the context of you post that you are not well educated, and most importantly of all are very impressionable; Just another anti-american, pro-terrorist, conformist looking to make a few friends. Do us all a favor and stay away from politics, god knows what other type of idiotic crap you have floating around in that head of yours.
     
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  13. suitsme

    suitsme Peon

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    Put the Numbers in Perspective

    More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

    Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
    More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
    19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
    .

    It's all about Iraq, President Bush and oil isn't it?

    Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

    India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and...

    ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
    the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment
    of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
    Qur'an, Sura 9:29

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
     
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    #14
    that religion of peace website is very thought provoking
     
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  15. suitsme

    suitsme Peon

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    Here is my favorite part of another good site.


    A Letter to Mankind
    Dear fellow human,

    Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

    The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.

    Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

    The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence.

    Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

    Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.

    If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.

    We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes?

    We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.

    We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.

    Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.

    The ex-Muslim Movement

    www.faithfreedom.org
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    you should maybe read up on bin laden's reasons
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    like helping muslims out in kosovo?
     
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    maldives Prominent Member

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    Well, all the people killed in Iraq are terrorists I thought. What do you think Will? :rolleyes:
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    Who exactly gets counted as an Islamist and where do those numbers come from?

    Do they include declared wars, or just attacks by terrorist groups?

    Would it better if it was less?
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    Actually I think it was because of having troops in muslim holy lands in Saudia Arabia and support of Israel, but look it up and get back to me.
     
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