I read the book of revelations and what I saw was a standard tale told by three other ancient books. Besides, the contextual reality of it was based on the roman emperor and the tax at the time was 666. I am not looking for a future guided by a deity who I don't see taking an interest in our lives in any capacity - I look to take over the world and rule it as I see fit. You look forward to the total annihilation of mankind and would further it if you could, I look forward to the cessation of the destruction of mankind and I look forward to the cessation of the fallacy that is a belief in things that will not happen. Look at what you are saying. People are ape men, related to the chimpanzee from a common ancestor and evolved as such. While the ancestor of the chip diverged into a less intelligent species our line evolved into Ergaster, Erectus, and Homo - with off branches that died out like Neanderthals and Habilis. We're running a 300,000 year old technological biological breakthrough - and I know none of these words will reach you. You insult a religion, take the blame away from Christians, and basically say we have to do nothing. If the earth does melt from our environmental defecation I hope you linger. Man is in control of this world in so much that Man can destroy it and Man can stop the destruction that it reaps - however the world itself is still the master of man. There is nothing else that controls us except nature - and that includes space, time, asteroids, comets, solar bursts, and the smallest of foes in viruses and bacteria. Again, these words will not reach you. Bullcrap. It is Man's responsibility to stop himself or destroy himself, no one else's. We are supposed to be humans and make more humans, I am of the belief that I can change the world, stop the destruction of mankind, restore order, stop the waste, enforce the new rules, and completely save ever single human that is willing to be saved from a fate of mass starvation and unemployment. To think otherwise is suicide. The progress of man is stalled and running in reverse - there is no one driving the vehicle and I want to take over the helm. If it works I will stop you all from dooming yourselves with fables that predict the doom of The Roman Empire and applying it today. Islam, Muslims, they are not the entire problem but they contribute the problem. The problem is the fact there are six BILLION humans that are polluting, defacing, disgracing, and ever increasing in size like a malignant tumor while society breaks down from dysgenics and poor rearing of children, fatherless, and moral-less. People said man could not sail the oceans - we did, people predicted the end times every century - they didn't happen, people thought we would never go to space because "god" would not let us. We have probes that are further out than Pluto (see Voyager I and II), man has been to the moon, man has decoded his own genome, and man has conquered diseases over and over again. Where was your Deity in all of man's triumph? Or are you going to discredit man and say your deity did it? I will not join you Sam I am, I will not join you in this sham. I do not like LDS solicitations on a boat, I do not like Jehovah's Witness solicitations at my door, I do not like solicitations from Baptists in my car, I do not like Muslim solicitations when I walk my goat, I don't mind the Buddhist -they don't solicit me anymore (never did), I do not like Hindu solicitations at the Bar, I do not like them Sam I am, I do not like Green God and Ham.
jakuul you definatily read the book of revelation without understanding and try now to make your own conclusion and adopt the spirit of evil by doing so. Main message is. We(mankind, either in groups or individual)can't do it but it will be done by Him. It's not a punishment but a blessing for all and not doomsday. In meanwhile we can do is to build a relationship with him and our neighbours according to His will. If you aks for being an ape it will be given to you. Remember, others are not apes, no matter how your boggled mind tries to twist the truth. Time and tide wait for no man.
My truth, my truth comes from years upon years of self research and examinations. Blatant disregard for science and technology is basically the downfall we see going on. As I said you will not see what I said, and again you refuse to see what I say. I have spoken to ministers I have spoken to priests, I have spoken to bishops and I have spoken to monks. I went with an open mind, carried out grand discussions, and in each and every case I understood what they were saying, and they understood me. I maintain my scientific, mathematic, genetic, and otherwise absolutes whilst retaining an open mind. Your entire method here was not to illicit a discussion but to short circuit my message, my hypothesis and my theories, my future I am willing and wanting to create. You trust the word of man, the word of a book written by man, the words and words of generations passed. I trust the science I have seen with my own eyes, the instruments man has made in his technological might and prowess, I trust in intelligence and I trust in knowledge. I trust in proven truths and in proven methods, I trust in numbers and I trust in the theories and hypotheses I create which would be the solutions to the world's problems. We Are All Ape Men. We Are All Genetically Similar to Chimpanzees. We all deviate in less than a percent. You cannot refute proven genome studies. You cannot refute the flesh, the blood, the bone, the genes, the proteins, and the leftovers of junk DNA that is in us all regardless of race or religion. Mice don't spontaneously appear, The world is a sphere, I breathe in oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide in a mixture of gas we call air, and I will die in seventy years or more as every human on earth will most likely end up unless science is given full throttle support and health is made our primary concern along with the advancement of mankind. We cannot build a relationship with a sock puppet - unless we're insane. So yes, humans, all humans, have inherited the trait of insanity. Everyone is a Homosapien Sapien. We are descended from the apes. We are the tyrannical survivors of Primate Evolution and we are the masters of this planet. Ape men rule the world. To ask to be anything different means you no longer wish to be a human being. So be it - go out and transmogrify somewhere. My boggled mind is not boggled but is a complex set of inner machenations and ideas that are constantly bombarding my skull in my own personal evolution, as I research more and more every day in the feild of human studies - economics, computers, sociology, art, all of humanity, I learn more and I hone my viewpoints. These ideas and solutions I have are the current state of over twenty two years of human observation - I have disregarded the opinions of everyone else and looked at it with logic, and with my own flare of individual thought. I am no slave to any belief and I shall NOT be bound by any belief system that would say I am inferior or wrong for thinking freely. Leave this thread for I shall not stop defending myself - you and I have nothing more to contribute by sparring matches. The issues were about the problems between man, and right now your views and my views exemplify that fact. You choose the road of your destruction, of your wishfulness for a great savior to come and change the world. You reject my ideas of saving the human race - therefore you do not wish to be saved. You can go sit outside and wait forever. I will continue my efforts of attempting to do something - anything - to stave off our self destruction.
There's a pretty interesting interview with Nonie Darwish at http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/ND112006.php (use the alternate video source). This was after she was censored by Brown University because they didn't want to offend Muslims by having a woman speak on Islam.
That's funny. Do you really believe that? Let's examine that belief. In what country, ruled by Muslims, do you believe that the Jews have "a better situation" than Jews in Europe? That's hilarious. How do you make this stuff up? Do you know that there have been Arab and Muslim members of the Israeli Knesset since 1949? Hell, Majalli Wahabi is currently the Deputy Knesst Speaker and was the acting President for a time. He's an Arab and a Druze. The Druze are a Unist reformatory sect of Islam. Raleb Majadele is a Minister in the Israeli cabinet. He's also an Arab and a Muslim. Israel is, by far, the best example of a functioning democracy in the middle east. To compare it unfavorably with it's neighbors requires a considerably amount of intellectual dishonesty.
And who is the author of above document? A Muslim terrorist group? A bleeding heart liberal? How about a terrorist supporter who don't understand that Jews are the chosen people? IT IS U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm
gworld: You really need to educate yourself. Look up the word "democracy" and tell me exactly what is has to do with either of the blurbs you cut and pasted here. One, whose fault is it that Muslims -- across the globe -- are poor? It's Islam, stupid. Quoting President Musharraf of Pakistan, "While the collective Gross National Product of the all Muslim countries stands at $1,200bn, that of Germany alone is $2,500bn and that of Japan $5,500bn." You cannot honestly blame the Jews for the negative economic impacts of Islam, which occur both in Israel and far from Israel. Israeli Arabs and Israeli Muslims are treated better than citizens of almost any Muslim country. Hell, they can vote in Israel, where many of them cannot vote in their home countries. Your second "point" is even more ridiculous, and I believe that you are purposefully wasting our time by posting such nonsense. Democracy has nothing to do with accidents. Accidents will always occur, and in war accidents will occur frequently. The people you should blame for those accidents are the people who refuse to stop this war. All the Israeli's want is for this war to stop, and yet the Muslims will not grant them peace.