I wonder if there are many muslims that would like true peace with Israel? I found this site where there are postings by jews and muslims who seem to just want peace, and it was kind of a breath of fresh air. To Muslims and Arabs across the globe: Reject hate, embrace love. Bring out the best in Islam by showing your compassion, gratitude and forgiveness. Make the holy land truly holy by giving Israel and the Jewish people the respect they deserve in their tiny little country. This is not a crisis over land. It is a crisis of the soul; a crisis in our faith, judgement and self confidence. Israel should not be regarded as an enemy, but as a blessing to our neighborhood. We need not fear peace, but embrace it. http://www.arabsforisrael.com
Congratulations! This is the second thought provoking post you've inspired me to write - it shall appear on the blog shortly. I wonder if there is any human of any religion of any culture that could ever get along with another religion, culture, and ethnicity? Although the good intentions exist - there will always be that feeling and complex over superiority and inferiority. Until all humans realize they are the exact same blueprint, the exact same species, and the exact same spawn of whatever horrid mutation befell our earlier more peaceful ancestors - there will never be peace amongst man. The only solution to this dire problem of social bigotry based on cultural beliefs is to destroy the standards of all societies and plunge the world into a temporary chaos - which will effectively disrupt the 'old ways' whilst the new ways are created. When man, and all man, must work together and there is no way to avoid it, they will eventually learn the other man is essentially the same. This of course would only be possible with a cataclysm, or perhaps the entire upheaval of all world governments in the formation of a new society in which the standards of understanding are complements - whilst the barriers of culture are abolished along with detrimental taboos, social laws, and most importantly social memory. It is our social memory and our collective cultural memory that we use to distinguish sub-cultures and major cultures - where as in our own we see the difference between a Yankee, a redneck, and a hick (with sub categories of Appalachian hicks, and variants further south) and then major culture differences - Arabs, Africans, Indians, Chinese, etc etc etc. When these barriers break down, when the entire social order is disrupted world wide and no one is left to enforce these social memories and thoughts there will need to be things to take its place, there will need to be new memories made and supplanted, there will need to be a reckoning where we see ourselves for what we really are - the lucky ape men who make war because they no longer need to fulfill their purposes in life. The entire purpose of any life form is simple, easy, and understandable. Reproduce. Well, we're six billion strong - and still counting. We won. Now what? We make up this bologna and fight amongst ourselves because we have nothing better to do, we fight, we blow each other up, we take jobs, and we drive our fancy little cars - all to avoid the stark reality of mankind. We're done. Unless of course - man needs to expand beyond earth. Back on point - with social memory being erased and eroded away what will be the new goals of man? Where will man go? Why not fulfill the mission of our species ever more - and finally spread throughout our solar system, throughout the moons around our brightly burning orb, across the wastelands of frigid space to other star system - eventually across the galaxy? Because were idiots. Collectively we're all idiots. We fight amongst ourselves, we make things up, we numb our minds, our children get stupider every day, our society breaks down, and we take a collective dump on our bed every day across the world - soiling our living environment. There are options, yes, but none seem quite fast enough to solve the problems of the middle east, to solve the problems between one society and another, to solve the problems culture to culture... Except of course a world empire.
Its really hard because its about holy land which is very important to each religion, the same land. Throughout history each religion claimed the land and some important cases the exact spots of important buildings and places for each of their religions, respectfully. Many of the places are important to both religions' roots and to change things would take great sacrifices in their religions belief structures respectfully.
the main problem here is religion. If there was no religion then we wouldn't have jews and muslims living in Israel, we would only have people living there. And this goes for every single place where people are fighting for religious reasons
That may be a bit simplistic. Eliminating religion does not eliminate conflict. There has always been conflict between cultures. Differences among religions are just one more reason for friction. You do make a point in the case of the Middle East. Religion is the root cause of Islam's deeply rooted hatred for Jews. The best way to unite people to to create a common enemy and a common cause. It worked effectively for the Nazis and it clearly is the basis for much of the conflict in the Middle East. However, I don't see anything in the Jewish religion that tells them to hate others. It looks like the religious-based hatred is mostly one-sided. Arabs for Israel looks like a good idea, but I don't think it will get very far.
"Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace..." Yeah, I doubt if the world will ever be at peace. I was just reading all this negative news about the violence going on and I found that unusual website. It made me think what if people just got tired of fighting. What if they decided human life is more important than all the BS. Uh, probably never happen.
Religion is not the problem. In most middle eastern countries, there are Jewish communities that are living in peace with Muslims and have a better situation than Jews in Europe. The problem is about Israel policies that has forced a large group of people to live as refugee in 40 years and have no hope for a better future either. If there was a democratic form of government in Israel that would permit the people living in that area also participate in the political and social life of society, the problem would go away very fast but Israel government is not interested to merge non Jews with the rest of society. Arabs in Israel have the same situation as Black had in South Africa. In South Africa they categorized as racial war and in middle east is categorized as religious war. It is neither racial or religious war, it is about the weakest part of society desire to participate and have a future.
Religion is very much the problem. Palestinians have made that clear, time and again. Arabs/muslims are very much a part of society in Israel and have far better conditions there than are available in other countries in the middle east. muslims can vote, are part of the government and participate in the well being of the country. Opening Israel up would be a disaster and a step back in time. At one time, Israel was far more open and the result of that were continued attacks through suicide bombers. If Israel were to open back up, these same attacks would take place again. Palestinians have rejected peace time and again. In fact, their goal is the destruction of Israel. Palestinians have rejected their own state. They want Jews gone, period. Jews do not live in peace with muslims. If anything, they live in fear and as second class citizens (dhimmis) subjected to paying jizyah (infidel tax).
It is amazing just how much the sheeple have been conditioned by the mainstream media to believe that GTech.
Smells like aid and comfort again. Never a bad word, eh? I amazed at how alex jones can condition his young angry white males with low IQs and low self-esteems. You'd be surprised at how many sheeple that same mainstream media has condition about the war in Iraq. Sort of makes you a sheeple AND a YAWMWLIQ. That's gotta suck!
Your right about always having conflict among us, but the thing we can do is minimize the severity of conflict. If we can just bring it to just dislikes of certain aspects of another culture and understanding the it is ok for people to be different we can have a resolved clash of religion/culture.
And strangely enough the same people after leaving the army as a corporal will think of themselves as know it all leader while everyone else sees them as moron that they are.
Very true. It's because of the media's constant negative news about the war in Iraq that people want to leave, they are told it's so bad, day in day out & there's just no hope of achieving anything positive in Iraq. Yet AGS thinks the news is the other way around he reckons everything is reported to be going well in Iraq by the media, which is obviously not true however AGS believes good is bad & bad is good, so it's completely natural in his mind that the news is reporting good news about Iraq. AGS is one of the very people he claims are sheep having been conditioned by the main stream media himself. Here's a good question; How does AGS's views on nothing positive happening in Iraq compare to the main stream medias stories?
Apes. This'll be the only time I highly recommend reading a post I have made (#2 in the topic) since I feel it answers the first post (and I put allot of heavy thought into it beforehand - this wasn't just anti-human rhetoric) as I feel nothing can solve the issues between the Jews and the Muslims, just as we cannot solve the genocides that constantly occur in Africa (without a huge drastic change in the world).
That was an excellent post! But a few things I wasn't sure if I agreed... For one thing when you said, "there will need to be new memories made and supplanted" I don't want a new memory implanted into my head from the government or anyone else who thinks I would be better off without it. If that were reality, I would rather die than submit to that. And you said: "whilst the barriers of culture are abolished along with detrimental taboos, social laws, and most importantly social memory. It is our social memory and our collective cultural memory that we use to distinguish sub-cultures and major cultures - where as in our own we see the difference between a Yankee, a redneck, and a hick (with sub categories of Appalachian hicks, and variants further south) and then major culture differences - Arabs, Africans, Indians, Chinese, etc etc etc." I don't really think the fact that we distinguish between cultures to be our downfall. I think it is human nature to believe the culture you are in is the best and believe it is better than others. Just as an example, there are many racist people that hate the KKK. They may be racist, but in there wildest dreams they would not want to commit violence against another person. So, I don't believe that by getting rid of different cultures that you would end violence.
Memories won't be implanted, but supplanted through forcing the human race to work together - the chaos caused by the events I want to see will force everyone to stop thinking as they do now. It replaces the overall cultural memories which are negative with over-riding memories that are positive. Individual thought replacement would be too costly. But they remain indifferent about it, and thus they remain worse than those who hate and those who love. Indifference toward others lead to the entire annihilation of six million in NAZI Germany. Those that would have never been pumping Zyklon B and those who would have never acted in violence against the Gypsies and the Jews did not raise a finger to stop deportation and did not say a word about it being wrong. they remained indifferent - and thus no one stood up for them. Distinguishing between cultures is fine - but then viewing yours as superior, until you gradually dehumanize the other until you disregard them only leads to the path of indifference when violence is committed by others. In my future, the one I wish to create, there will just be one culture - and then there will be subcultures. But the main culture will remain - because it is all inclusive no one can dehumanize another, thereby prevention of genocides. Not to mention that the chaos that will happen right before this creation will force all mankind together. Working to build a future will employ three billion full time workers world wide, thus they must learn to work together, and in that chaotic environment views will be changed and shifted through the mass education programs - and the eugenics program.
I read your post yesterday and tried to respond, but than the internet failed. I'll do it here again. First there are quite some interesting points and very close to the universal truth. One thing you forgot to mention is that it is all fortold in the book of revelation. You should read and study the book of revelation and you will see that destruction will come just in a moment and that heaven and earth will be rebuilt again without sin, churches, synagoges, mosques and temples. Peolpe will get new bodies after all, perfect and everlasting. - That's what mankind was designed for at creation days at first. Jesus even said: "many will wonder who will enter the kingdom of heaven and receive the crown of life" - wow, what a grace - ... but can we do it ourselves? NO, because its His fight and struggle and He'll will do it in His chosen time and moment, so we don't have to do the job as so many think, especially those following "the religion of peace". Am I surprised? NO, because he said so. Hence His saying: "The former world shall be remembered no more". "Don't look at religions but for a relationship with the Lord and your neighbours with godly love." - that's what we are supposed to do now. Of course we also have the obligation to stop crime and terror now. will you join?