Fatal Biblical Flaws

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by 1EightT, May 8, 2007.

  1. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #41
    I would look at the thousands of ministers and preachers throughout the world that will tell you they are "called" to ministry...all by the same God. So are everyone of these people who feel "called" have a false call?
     
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    #42
    Ok, so lets take a look at this from another perspective here then. Which "god" is the real god? There are over 16,000 different sects of Christianity alone. Each one of you thinks the other 15,999 are going to hell and have it all wrong. Muslims think all of your 16,000 forms of christianity are wrong because they have thier OWN book that their OWN "gods" wrote that says so. This could go on and on and on. So even if you believe in god, the chances of you believing in the "correct" god have to near zero which means the majority of you are going to hell by your own admission.
     
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  3. EliteFlyers_com

    EliteFlyers_com Active Member

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    #43
    here is another translation,

    24 because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their fathers' idols.

    25 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by;

    God didnt give them the laws that were not good but he gave them over to the the laws there were not good.
    2 different things.


    as for the last post about diff christian 'sects' thinking the others are going to hell sometimes that is ture, and its sad that ppl think like that. those that are like that are not true chriatians. dont base your veiw of christianity on christians base it on christ. ppl are flawed and will do stupid things.
     
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  4. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #44
    There is only 1 God to Christians...which is the Trinitarian God. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The disagreements among the different Christian Denominations are a theological dispute, not a dispute about who God is...Furthermore, Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God...we do not believe in the same "persons" of God though (i.e. Jews and Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God). And any good religious person will not tell someone that they "are going to hell"...God is the one that makes the final decision, and God gives each of us free choice. However, whether we get to make the decision to go to heaven or hell is not known till we die...it is a comfort to know that God gives us grace.
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #45
    Doesn't make it any less real either.

    For example, I've never seen a million dollars, but I'm pretty sure it exists.
     
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  6. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #46
    but you have seen one dollar
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #47
    and you have seen a terrorist.
     
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  8. 1EightT

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    #48
    what does a terrorist have to do with god, or this debate?
     
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  9. GeorgeB.

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    #49
    Flawed argument alert.

    Non-believers don't need proof that something doesn't exist. That's why they're called non-believers. You need to prove to them it exists not the other way around.

    Non believers don't believe because there is no reason (proof) to believe. Believers only reason to believe seems to be just because they do.

    To show you how pointless your argument is let me say this. In order for me to prove God doesn't exist you'd actually have to show me a tangible bit of proof that he does in order for me to disprove it. Which you can't.

    So rather ironically people can't prove that God doesn't exist NOT because he does but because of the lack of proof that he does.

    Which is why I am Agnostic. I don't believe it can be proven or disproven either way.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #50
    What does one dollar have to do with it?

    Which one did you take issue with?
     
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  11. suitsme

    suitsme Peon

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    #51
    Doesn't anyone wonder why our Calendar is based on Christ's Birth (BC) and Death (AD)?
    Don't you think He must have been a pretty important guy?
     
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    #52
    There are plenty of holidays based on important guys in history.

    Your point? Should we start a religion about them?
     
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    #53
    Were they the Son of God that resulted in a world wide religious following?
     
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  14. suitsme

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    #54
    Were they so important that time is based on them?
     
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    #55
    Unless you have a paternity test for me I'm going to go ahead and discount that as heresay sir.

    Thanks.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #56
    Should I be surprised? Suitsme makes a good point. The great thing about Christianity is that you have a choice. Accept it or don't. Other religions would force you to accept or die.
     
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    #57
    That is a result of christian influence not jesus. Were the muslim religion more prevelant when we needed something to base time on we'd be basing it on some other prophet's birthday.
     
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    #58
    So this is a my religion = better than your religion thing? I thought it was about baby jesus...
     
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  19. suitsme

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    #59
    Jesus wasn't just a prophet though. Christianity is the only religion whose God not only came to Earth to live among men but rose from the dead.
     
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    #60
    Doesn't matter.

    My point was to invalidate your point which I did.

    Our calendar years being based on jesus' had more to do with christian influence than jesus' popularity. A point proven when I mentioned that had any other religion been more prevalent back then things would have been different.

    And umm.. "Jesus wasn't just a prophet" ... to you. You have no proof that he was anything more. So to me he could just as likely have been just a prophet.
     
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