The only Miracle I believe is in the Quran is the fact that Muhommad included Jesus as a prophet. I think if he were not he would not have so many followers.
LMAO, and obviously you aren't a student of statistics and probability. Out of even just 57 chapters, the odds of one of them having some coincidental relationship between the chapter number and title are fairly good and not within the realm of the miraculous. I would imagine there are several more throughout the whole book.
Yes solution...Ahmed will believe anything his idiot imam tells him...all he sees is that "God must have done this" rather than coincidence...I see that Ahmed is lacking so much in his faith he must pull all of these together so he will have something to believe in....according to Ahmed's logic every baby that was born on Dec. 25 would then be another Jesus, since it can't be a coincidence....
OK lets go back to the topic, kafer wanted a proof that the Holy Quran is the actual words of god and I select this topic The Pain Feelings to go through it point by point
The egyptians seemed to have an inate knowledge of biology long before it was a science. Does that make them Gods? It could all just as easily (and more believably) be attributed to intuition or genius. Of course when you believe it's holy to begin with, that's the easiest way to rationalize it. Kind of like when you watch a magician... you don't really want to know how he did it, you want to be amazed and believe it was magic.
the biggest miracle about the quaran is that there are people who actually believe that it´s God´s word.
That's exactly why I brought up the lack of Muslim hospitals ... say God decides to give man medical information ... if this information is not VITAL ... what's the point of us getting this information ? Just to impress us that he exists ? How about impressing us with how USEFUL this information is. Otherwise just like you pointed out, it's similar to a mere magic trick
More accurately stated, one billion live under Muslim regimes. When they escape these countries they very often leave the religion created by Mohamed or remain socially a Muslim. This is common in works based religions, and is what separates the one religion based on God's work and his gift of grace, Christianity, from all other religions.
Ok everybody is trying to change the topic now The Pain Feelings lets go through it point by point please
Wow ! "Christianity, from all other" , wonderful how you find a chance to preach Christianity ! You know what ? I'm a Muslim and I wouldn't change my religion no matter what happens, so are the millions of Muslims that are living in Europe and America, last time I checked they are still Muslims. In fact people worldwide are converting to Islam simply because it's the truth. ( I know the likes of you hate it but this is the reality)
this is crap...your so called "dr." says that before the age of science the whole human body could feel pain, but now it can't? Just because we have some more knowledge? Thats crap. The human body has remained unchanged for thousands of years. And here is a question for you...if the human body does not have pain under the skin (as your dr. and so called holy book say) why do they give a woman an epidural during a c-section delivery of a baby? Or why do they put someone to sleep during surgery? Why not just numb the skin? This is idoit, stupid, and false. You following that says the same about you.
Whether you believe it or not this is a scientific fact check these sources If you want NEUROANATOMY & FUNCTIONAL NEUROLOCY JOSEPH G. CHUSIN ATLAS OF HUMAN ANATOMT P. D. SYNELNYK OF TREATMENT OF BURNS YANG CHI CHUN HSU WEI – SHIA SHIH TRI – SING REVIEW OF MEDICAL PHYSIOLOGY W. F FORRESTER A COMPANION TO MEDICAL STUDES ANATO MY. BIOCHEMISTRY & PHYSIOLOGY EDITOR - IN - CHIEF J. M. FORRESTER you can not argue scientific facts with your thoughts get some evidence and sources if you want to discuss this topic
The original poster brought up the topic of words of god, on that topic I commented on the Word of God which we find in the Gospel of John: I don't doubt that you and many others will try to get to heaven by your works but as Isiah wrote our works are as pile of filthy rags: I also don't doubt that millions follow these manmade systems. From the Gospel of Matthew: There is only one Truth and only one way to God: It is human nature to try to earn salvation but do you really think you would get to heaven and say you owe me God as if you were in a superior postion of debtee to God the debtor? Since works based systems (do something 5 times per day, do this every week, do this once in a life time, don't do these things) can't put us in a place of being owed by God, the only alternative is to have salvation be a work from God on our behalf. That's the kind of truth we all need to deal preferably in this life when it's not too late.
Sami this all nice, let's take this "miracle" at face value like you do ... Do you realize though that the Koran borrowed enormously from sources that are thousands and hundreds of years older that the Koran ? In order words, these words of Allah are not unique to Islam. How do you answer to this fact ?
Dear Sami, In your listed website, you have selected the topic "The Pain Feelings" to be one of your strongest proof that the Quran is the words of god and since Muhammad couldn't have known about detailed dermatological matters, he is therefore the true messenger of god and Islam is the last and true religion. The editor of the article has based his proof of the scientific miracle on the following two verses, as he wrote: He then went on to describe some scientific facts about skin sensitivity to burning, quoting various specialists in the field of dermatology. With that I don’t have a problem, however what I’m interested to discuss is the aspect of his conclusions: Facets of Scientific Inimitability: First of all, there isn’t much in this verse to talk about, as it only states the obvious. but let me clarify my point any way: Verse: [We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment.] [1]We all know that skin is the outermost organ in our body that would first feel the pain should it be exposed to burning. [2] The sura doesn’t tell us that man can no longer feel the pain, all it says that in order to renew the pain after the skin has been roasted through, god will regenerate the skins fresh. It’s known that the first exposure to pain is always the worst. Tortures for example have always used that method. You can hear of tortured victims being left to recover for a while before being subjected to a fresh and intense physical punishment. [3] nerve endings! Where in the quran does it say nerve endings? [4]Any one who has been exposed to severe burns in part of their skin whether now or 1400 years ago, would have felt that the new generated skin has little sensitivity for pain. In fact the prophet Muhammad has know about skin burns well enough since he himself used to cauterise people as it was a common practice at the time, especially in times of war, see this hadith: Sahih Muslim: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/026.smt.html Book 026, Number 5472: Jabir b. 'Abdillah reported that on the day of Ahzab Ubayy received the wound of an arrow in his medial arm vein. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) cauterised it. A medical dictionary explains cauterise as: To stop bleeding through the application of heat (thermal or electric) or a chemical substance (silver nitrate). To destroy tissue with heat, cold, or caustic substances, usually to seal off blood vessels or ducts. http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=cauterise&action=Search+OMD So the prophet Mohammed knew about cauterising and its effects and had also frequented people who has been cauterised. Surely those people would have experienced that their newly generated skin is no longer sensitive to pain as before. In regards to Point B: For this conclusion, the sura says [… and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their intestines]. I don’t really see the big deal in that, all it talks about is that people in hell will be given boiling water, so hot that it cuts up their bowels. Yes SO! where is the scientific miracle? These are nothing but grotesque and graphic descriptions of how god will torture people who didn’t believe in him. There are many examples in the Quran regarding our torments in hell, nothing scientific. For instance in this ayat: Al-Hilali 22:19 These two opponents (believers and disbelievers) dispute with each other about their Lord; then as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads. It talks about garments of fire and boiling water poured down over the heads. Are we going to talk now about some scientific miracles relating to garments and pouring boiling water over our heads? Look at these examples too: Al-Hilali 44:43 Verily, the tree of Zaqqûm, 44: Will be the food of the sinners,45 Like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies, 46 Like the boiling of scalding water. Al-Hilali 9:35 On the Day when that (Al-Kanz: money, gold and silver, etc., the Zakât of which has not been paid) will be heated in the Fire of Hell and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, (and it will be said unto them):-"This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what you used to hoard." Al-Hilali 9:63 Know they not that whoever opposes and shows hostility to Allâh (swt) and His Messenger (SAW), certainly for him will be the Fire of Hell to abide therein. That is extreme disgrace. Al-Hilali 35:36 But those who disbelieve, (in the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) for them will be the Fire of Hell. Neither it will have a complete killing effect on them so that they die, nor shall its torment be lightened for them. Thus do We requite every disbeliever! Al-Hilali 98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
The Quran was the first to mention this scientific fact and then the other sources proved what the Quran has said. It can not borrow something that has not been written yet.