Next President of the United States?

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  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #241
    I wonder if Hillary Clinton's decision to support Firedoglake.com by writing for their blog is going to cause her to lose support from the black vote during the Democratic Primaries to Barack Obama?

    You may remember Firedoglake.com as the web site of Jane Hamsher, the blogger who was so upset at Joe Lieberman's leaving the Democratic Party that she photoshopped a picture of him to turn him into a black man.

    That didn't sit well with Joe and it didn't sit well with black Americans.

    More at: Senator Clinton Supports Racist Blog.

    What do you think? Does Hillary have any support at all from Black Americans?

    Does it matter in the Democratic Primaries? She still has a 10 point lead on Obama.

    Will it matter in the General Election where she is likely to face an Italian challenger from a strongly integrated background?
     
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  2. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #242
    I think shrillary knows that osamabama will get the black vote...so she is catering to more and more whites, in hope that osamabama will not get those...the problem with this is that more and more women are coming out against shrillary, and it may end up backfiring on her in the end.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

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    #243
    I just can't see any candidate overcoming Hillary's 10 point lead -- unless Hillary opens her mouth and says something amazingly stupid. All of the scandals about Hillary that are going to be public knowledge are already public knowledge. The Democrats seem willing to accept her with all of her warts.

    The Democrats think that she and Bill can take the White House back and they are willing to do anything to get that.
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #244
    There are still quite a few quotas both in government and in semi-private industry.

    You can call them "diversity programs" if you like, but they still force less qualified applicants to be selected over more qualified applicants.

    It's offensive to the American ideals of enterprise, free markets, hard work, and intelligence.

    This won't be fixed until American Black Culture is completely reformed -- which must be accomplished by black Americans themselves.

    You don't "see" the big deal because you don't have to work around these people. You are still affected by the increased cost this places on all American-made goods and services and the reduced American competitiveness in the global marketplace which this creates.
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

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    #245
    The U.S. government is the largest employer in the nation.

    Every quota I've been faces with has had to be maintained. You can't fire a minority unless you first replace them with another minority -- and then you are likely to be sued anyway.

    This that through again. It is not in any way assuming that every person you are forced to hire against your better judgment is less qualified -- it only needs to show that the average person you are forced to hire against your better judgment is less qualified than the average person you would hire of your own free will.
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

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    #246
    Most quotas are the result of government contracts, although some are the results of union contracts and others are negotiated with political pressure groups in order to avoid lawsuits or negative publicity.

    Not everyone. Somebody has to work harder and for less money to cover for the less competent and lazy.

    Both are just different ways of buying votes by taking money from someone who earned it and giving it to someone who didn't earn it.
     
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    YoungSmeagol Well-Known Member

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    #247
    Well, I generally agree with what you are saying. I just don't like to worry about stuff like that.
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

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    #248
    I don't either, which is one of the reasons I am a private entrepreneur. I don't like working under someone else's rules.

    As it is, all of this just costs me more money and reduces American competitiveness.

    It's just another load of crap that Americans put up with because we don't have to political will to do the right thing.

    But I agree, we do have bigger fish to fry. We could save more time and money by ending the war on drugs than by ending racist quotas.
     
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    #249
    Will, whats with posting 4 times in a row?
    You do realize no one is going to read all that (your not that interesting ;) )

    Anyway anyone else could do a better job than Bush.
    I would prefer a democrat for the the sake of the Iraqi people as the violence wont end if another republican government comes in.
    To many people over there (and worldwide) equate the republican government to invasion, profiteering, thievery, and warmongering.
     
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    #250
    Well, surrendering to the Islamists would end the violence, sort of... the current terrorist attacks would just be replaced with neatly organized executions.

    We all know how "non-violent" the Iranian and Taliban regimes were once they got their bloody clutches on their victims.

    Of course, surrendering the Iraqi's to a slow death at the hands of the Islamists is only a start. Eventually we will have to surrender the entire planet to avoid violence.

    And after all, isn't avoiding violence worth giving up freedom, liberty, and justice?
     
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    #251
    I guess this is the difference between libs and rational people...Will just spent 4 posts delicately responding with good points, and you answer with
    thats such a strong argument! You make the dems proud because you are allowing them to do what they want, which is to think for you! Socialism here we come!
     
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  12. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #252
    Apprently according to Bush & crew, look at the wire taps and suspention of habeas corpus

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    #253
    LOL. funny Pic ferret.

    You republicans are stuck in the Dark Ages.
    The Average Iraqi views the republican started US invasion as and occupation force, therefore they go out and fight, protest, start wars, etc.
    If the democrat/ic government took over that takes away the reason to fight against the invasion force that has come to steal the Iraqis oil.

    Understand?
     
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    #254
    great self portrait, isn't it?
    proof of that claim? or are you making it up like all your other claims?
    so the reason we invaded was oil? Then why is the cost of a gallon of gas going up? Why is the US not getting all the oil out of Iraq (we are actually one of the bottom on the list). So what would the people think if the dems took over, because most of the dem pres. cand. have said that troops will have to stay for a while....please enlighten us since you are so smart with all your knowledge.<-SARCASM
     
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    #255
    You don't see to be in touch at all with what's going on in Iraq.

    The Iraqi's aren't fighting against "the invasion force." The Iraqi's are fighting against terrorists who are attempting to prevent civilization from taking root in Iraq.

    The Iraqi government has asked us to stay and the only the left wing of the Democratic party wants to refuse their request for assistance.

    Clue yourself into what's going on in Iraq by listening to the Iraqi's:

     
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    #256
    The reason the Government invaded was oil.
    http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/26/news/companies/exxon_earnings/
    Oil companies are making a fortune, you however are getting shafted just like the Iraqis.

    You invaded because you were told there was a ling to Terror/WMD/ETC


    PS 76% of Iraqis want the US out and 61% support attacks against US troops.
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/27/iraqis-poll/
     
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    #257
    LMFAO!!!! you posted about earnings...yes, they had record profits...as in record amount...now can you tell me what their expenses were, and what the profit margin was? Because I can tell you it was far LESS than every other business in the US...oil has never kept up with inflation, and now that it has, people are complaining....also, just so you know, from the article YOU posted above:
    THEY ARN'T EVEN IN IRAQ!!!! LMFAO!!!!!


    you and I both know that polls are crap...there is no way to actually have a scientific poll...the fact you posted it from thinkprogress.org shows that you are weak-minded and cater to the dems ultimate goal, which is to think for you, as opposed to you thinking for yourself (which apparently you are not capable of doing!).
     
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    #258

    yeah this one is very informative

    http://baghdadgirl.blogspot.com/

    The Iraqis are fighting amongst each other for who controls the country and its resources
     
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  19. Will.Spencer

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    #259
    I was waiting for someone to find the worst blog post on all of those blogs and remark about it.

    I figured it would be worth it just to get people to look at those blogs, even if they were just looking for something to object to.

    There is certainly a great deal of that. Al Qaeda and the Iranians and assorted other Islamist loonies are supplying everyone who has any sort of an axe to grind with training, equipment, and logistical support to murder whomever seems most available as a target.

    The bad guys seem to think that, if they only murder enough Iraqi's, the Iraqi's will kick out the Americans and surrender to them in order to stop the violence. And you know, they may be right.

    The trouble then becomes which group of terrorists to surrender to. No matter which group of terrorists the Iraqi's choose to surrender their nation to, there are going to be a number of terrorist groups who are very pissed off at being left out.
     
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    #260

    Profits mean after expenses Idiot.
    Run a Search, EVERY major oil company has had RECORD "PROFITS" during the entire bush led oil war.

    This is because market prices go up when you have a war in an oil rich country.
     
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