Excerpts from this article on the religion of peace from a house of love (a mosque). Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One". "You will be victorious" on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] "you will be victorious," but only "if you are believers." The Hamas spokesperson concluded with a prayer, saying: "Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178020746583&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
If islam is supposed to be about "peace and tolerance," I often wonder why so many support these barbaric savages.
Interesting how the guy names Allah as "masterS", plural, like the Trinitatian God of Christianity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
What's interesting is that this edict to kill is coming from an Islamic preacher and from inside a Mosque. This is unheard of from other major religions.
Make sure you check Popes' speaches from inside the church thru-out the history. And these guys have nothing to do with religion, Hamas is a political group which uses the religion to influence uneducated crowds, same way you are influenced by whatever your media says, just a different form of controlling large crowds. We will be rich would't be so enthusiastic since noone would believe in that, we'll go to heaven seems more accurate. But you can still blame the religion, that's how you want to believe.
We are not talking about history. We are talking about the 21st century. Does the pope advocate killing non-believers today?
We are not talking about 21th century, he said "none of the religions" - which none of the religions mentioned appeared today or in this century.
Yes. I agree. You are dodging the subject of this post. Are you okay, with now in the 21st century, someone issuing an edict to kill all Jews and Americans?
Of course i am not, that's why i said they use religion's name for their politics since that has nothing to do with religion. Religion is oftenly abused for political purposes(and not only by Hamas) since it influences ignorant crowds more than anything else, and this is one of them. Whoever says "Kill whoever belongs to .... religion", he/she's a subject to mental research.
Let's assume that it's not about religion. We can take that road too. Then its simply a call for genocide brought forth by people who happen to be islamic, right? And doesn't that cast a bad shadow on the whole religion. Yet, the "moderates" go along with and continue to elect the same people to power when given the opportunity. What other conclusion would you like to draw from this?
1) When did the last time the pope call for something equivalent to what Sheik Ahmad Bahr wants? 2) You do realise that this guy Sheik Ahmad Bahr is calling for this action today & not the last time the pope did, which makes his thinking ancient. 3) Your argument is weak 4) Was you trying to justify his actions with the above argument? or protect Islam?
When - is important? If someone says "nothing like that said under the name of any other major religion", i can perfectly say "it was said", does not matter when, it's not a matter of time when it comes to blaming religions. And Pope did say things pretty equivalent things to what that guy said, war under the name of a religion, you know how much affect Popes had in Crusades. Do you judge religions wich have thousands of years history only by looking into how people perform them today? Religions are beyond place and time, i think you confuse politics with religions. Doesn't sound pretty similar to this topic? Yes by saying "they are mental" i was justifying lol. Is it weaker than the arguement which blames religion for simply everything, and hates terrorists in terms of "rivalry"? Pretends to be the nice innocent people who went to Middle-East with balloons and flowers for gallons of democracy? If you think and speak one-sided, i can speak same way too, makes me to blame? fine.
Yes, it is. Christian (leaders) called for the death of others hundreds of years ago. Muslim (leaders) called for the death of others hundreds of years ago. ***Today - In the modern world*** Christian (leaders) called for the death of nobody, a big fat ZERO. Muslim (leaders) continue to called for the death of others. Comparing what Muslims do today to what Christians did hundreds of years ago is the equivalent of comparing apples & oranges. That makes that argument weak. Why have Muslims got caught in a time warp?
Lots of "double speak" taking place. Doesn't seem like a complicated issue. Kill Jews and Americans. Seems a pretty straight forward concept and in line with their religious scriptures.
Calling death as mentioned is not the issue, if one kills another it's a murder, one saying he will and one not saying he will does not make any difference or one a less or more of a murder, they have a different way of running things, but if you say they cause no death.. then you're right. Probably armies decide invasions on their own, for sports purposes. By the way, i don't see them as "Christian leaders", they are political leaders so unlike you i don't relate -them throwing shit- to Christiandom. Doesn't make it any any better or worse, for those who cause mess under its' name.
Well I'm sure this has caused an uproar in the muslim community and this preacher will be arrested by the police for hate speech and inciting violence, right?
I doubt it very much, where are all the moderates the real followers of Islam when you need them? posting on DP?
Yeah I know, I was just kidding. I was just thinking that if there was a preacher in US that was talking like that, the FBI and police would come down on him pretty fast. In islamic country, the preacher is probably congratulated by the police and government for such a great hate filled sermon. Death to america and all that crap...
I know you were kidding lol, i know where you stand unlike AGS he's borderline at best I've seen & heard of a few moderates at best, but they do exist believe it or not. The problem is the extremists or very strict Muslims out number the moderates from what i see. I see why you would think they don't exist though