Proves how useless PR is in regards to making lots of money, because 3 visitors a day unless they are super targeted towards selling a very very very expensive product and convert at a super rate, will never make you anything.
Site is a few pages copied from wikipedia, the pages on Wiki probably have lower PR than the pages than I have copied and needless to say Google wouldn't leave Wiki for mine. Those 3 visitors come from crappy search engines for keywords that I don't even have them on the site. ie a clear example of uselessness of PR. .
I agree. People give too much importance and value to PR. I guess we should all just care about our SERPs and traffic.
Sure should! In the end all that matters is profit, and PR isn't going to build your profit, traffic is and your best chance at traffic is by building your SERPs.
Ok, fine, glad you felt the deep religious need to share your opinion. Now that you've imparted your deeply insightful wisdom upon us all, why don't you do something useful. Build a pair of small sites, each targeting similar competition keywords. Do about an equal amount of on page optimization on each. Then do some link building. On Site A, gather about 55-60 PR1 links with the desired anchor text. On Site B, gather the same number of PR3-PR4 links. Show that Site A and Site B then have about the same increase in rankings, and that PR is truly useless. Prove what you are saying. Because, bro, until you do that, basically all you are doing is talking out your ass. And that's my opinion. -Michael
There is a correlation between SERPs and PR only because they are both influenced a large amount by backlinks. But I'd rather be a PR1 ranked #1 on google for a solid term than be a PR7 that can't be found on google.
You start a thread titled PR is useless, because you think you are being witty, and then admit that there is a correlation. Whatever dude. -Michael
The correlation isn't between PR and SERPs though, it's just that links give you PR. If you have 100 links from PR1 entertainment sites and you are an acne site, that isn't going to help you at all in the SERPs but you may get a PR4 or something, a link from a health site on the other hand, may not give you any PR but will help you much more in the SERPs.
I agree with you. We should not bother ourselves thinking about PR but instead concentrate on building links to increase traffic.
Now how about this expriment: I create an exact copy of a page on wikipedia get it to a page rank higher than the same page on Wiki, then if Google put me at the top then I pay the expense but if Google put Wiki at the top you pay the expense. By the way, I would delete all the backlinks to wiki on my page for the sake of argument. .
Like people get Worried about PR but when any website that is promoted by us goes down then really feel very bad , Although the topic is genuine that we should be tensed if we have good ranking on the keywords and PR is down but in some cases PR also matters.....
Why we have to argue about the thing that we dont really know about. If you really want to know PR is useful or not just ask google
I understand why people argue that PR has no value but you are looking at it from a different perspective to those that work hard to obtain high PR. A market exists where there is supply and demand and as long as people are going to buy links on high PR sites there will be those looking to profit from it by building high PR sites. Its called COMMERCE people.
Dont need to blame PR. Buy and sell links will not disappear even the world has no PR Trade links always there and still there. So why blame PR Just try to get nature links and gain nature PR
Ok, so now you're going to add something else that, yet again, you have never tested. First, you are completely talking about something else. I never mentioned anything about getting off topic links, you're inventing shit as you go. Fine though, now you are talking out your ass on 2 topics. So, in addition to the first test, feel free to set up another experiment proving that 1 single PR0 on topic link will help you to outrank a site with 100 PR1 offtopic links. Show us, prove that you're not full of bs. You can do that, right...? -Michael
Hey Kingrage, I actually started this exact debate in another thread and it got really out of hand. mvandemar (Michael) is trying to be cute and he often takes things a little too literally. He also breaks apart your posts in order to prove his points, but that's only because he takes it out of context. But I completely understand where you're coming from. The Toolbar PR is useless because it has no use. The PR at Google, which is updated continuously and exported roughly every 3-4 months (http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/new-toolbar-pageranks-visible/), is on of the main factors contributing to your position in the SERP's. And nobody, except for Google, can tell you what your PR is at any moment in time. So if the Toolbar PR is not an accurate (and up to date) representation of the PR at Google, how else can it be used? I also quoted Matt Cutts in a previous post (http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/more-info-on-pagerank/): So Michael, without any super complicated explanations, why is the Google Toolbar PR useful? No need to break apart my post or tell me that just because I don't find it useful doesn't mean it isn't. Just tell us how the Toolbar PR can be a useful measure of anything.
That sounds nice. But in reality, there are not many PR1 sites outranking PR7 sites in the SERPs for the same keywords. Oh sure, anecdotally someone may show one or two examples. But the big-picture reality is different. PR7 sites are consistently going to slaughter PR1 sites for the same keywords.
Absolutely correct. The reality is, if you're competing for a solid keyword with that PR7 site, then you probably have a lot of work ahead of you. As a result, you won't stay at a PR1 for too long (assuming that you are being competitive). So your PR will either increase as you start to build up links and content, or you will do nothing and remain where you are. Things just have a way of working themselves out.