the earth is flat in the koran?

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  1. minimumrage

    minimumrage Peon

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    #21
    Show me the four corners of a round earth.

     
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  2. CosmicRay

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    #22
    Thou shalt not steal.

    Leave the book alone to its' rightful owners. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #23
    North, East, South, West and if you would read the book in context you would be able to understand that.
     
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  4. kafer

    kafer Peon

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    #24

    Ok here is the content of your link, let's share it for the interest of everyone.

    It's written of course by Dr. Zakir Naik and who else would claim such a thing!

    Dr Naik who is labelled by some as “World’s Greatest Showman" has turned the Quran from a book of faith and guidance into a science encyclopaedia to be used as a reference book by scientists.

    He is actually hurting Islam more than doing it a favour.

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    I will respond to his claims as soon as I can.
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    Does the Qur'an say that the earth is flat?
    Qur’an says that Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. This gives an indication that the earth is flat. Does this not contradict established modern science?


    1. Earth made as a carpet

    The question refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:
    "And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 71, Verse 19




    But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says: "That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 71, Verse 20

    A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:

    "He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)...." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 20, Verse 53

    The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.

    2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface

    Not a single verse of the Qur’an says that the earth is flat. The Qur’an only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.

    Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Qur’an describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Qur’an is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.

    3. Earth has been spread out

    Similarly, the Qur’an says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.
    "And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 51, Verse 48
    Similarly the Qur’an also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:
    "Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse. And the mountains as pegs?" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 78, Verse 6-7

    None of these verses of the Qur’an contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Glorious Qur’an says:
    "O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 29, Verse 56
    Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.

    4. Earth is geospherical in shape

    The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 79, Verse 30
    The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.

    Thus the Qur’an and modern established science are in perfect harmony.

    Dr. Zakir Naik
     
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  5. KalvinB

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    #25
    You mean the science of the day and modern science are in perfect harmony? The Greeks knew the earth was round in the BCs.

    You act like Muhammad was living in a cave his whole life.

    The + symbol has four corners.
     
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  6. sami

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    #26
    http://www.thetruecall.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=206

    I think this will explain everything:)

    cheers
     
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  7. CosmicRay

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    #27

    Maybe you should teach the Japanese the Holy Koran ...
    they sure need help in the area of modern science from the Muslims. :rolleyes:

    Here's the Japanese idea of transportation using NO Koran.

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    Here's the Muslim idea of transportation having had the advantage of over 1400 YEARS of the Holy Koran.

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    Who needs who ?
     
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  8. kafer

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    #28
    Cool I like that!:D
     
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  9. M Nabil

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    #29
    You keep repeating you post CosmicRay in every topic so I'll repeat my reply to you :

    take a look at the cars made by nations who really implement the Koran :

    Iranian cars :

    http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/iranian-made-cars.html

    just some samples :

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    Malysian cars :

    Proton cars

    http://www.proton.co.uk/

    just one sample :

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    Perodua cars :

    http://www.perodua.com.my/index.php


    just one sample :

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  10. CosmicRay

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    #30
     
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  11. M Nabil

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    #31

    Muslims were the leaders of science until around the 1500s, Europe copied Muslim scientific books when it started its scientific renaissance, this is how history works in case you don't know, you first copy then make your own.

    Some of these cars are copies, some are not but they are all made by Muslim nations, and this is what matters, they have the know how, which is sad for people who wanna portray the Muslims as camel riders like you.
     
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  12. CosmicRay

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    #32
    Are seriously saying the Muslims are the originators of key ideas of the Koran ?

    Nothing is in the Koran that was not already contemplated and discussed for HUNDREDS
    of years before it came into existence. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. M Nabil

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    #33
    Who said I was talking about the Koran ?! I seriously don't know how you understood this !



    I was talking about Muslim scientists and scientific achievements.

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

    http://www.ummah.net/history/scholars/index.html
     
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  14. CosmicRay

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    #34
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    #35
    Religion does not need you. You need religion. This life is temporary. As soon as you die, no one will remember you. It will be only you and God. If you don't believe in Prophets of God, I really think that instead of writing all this, you should find the truth. The signs of God are too many around you. Find them! Before the Angel of Death finds you!
     
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  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #36
    Are explosives optional on these cars?
     
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  17. M Nabil

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    #37
    No, they are not like Humvees used by the terrorist imperialistic US army.
     
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  18. CosmicRay

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    #38
    LOL ... maybe they can outsell the infidel competitors by offering a couple
    of virgins in the afterlife if they buy one. :D
     
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  19. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    So it generates sort of an after market economy to get optional suicide equipment installed. That's smart! Milk em for all they are worth :)
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    That's the ticket! Some drop down visor TVs hooked up to a DVD player with porn, so they can see the virgins they are about to get! That would motivate any sexually frustrated man who had just been promised some virgins :D
     
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