Q. What does the Qur'an say about Christians?

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    A. In the Qur'an, Christians are often referred to as among the "People of the Book," i.e. people who have received and believed in previous revelation from God's prophets. There are verses that highlight the commonalities between Christians and Muslims, and other verses that warn Christians against sliding towards polytheism in their worship of Jesus Christ.
    Commonalities:

    "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    "...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

    "O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved.

    But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).
    Warnings:

    "If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil" (5:66).

    "Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).

    "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)" (9:30-31).
     
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    Why there is no comments ? why
     
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    well of course the koran is going to have things like that to say about Christians, the one who wrote it (muhammad) hung around the christians and the jews and they rejected him and his beliefs. to me it just sounds spiteful, like he wants to sound like he got some great revalation from 'God' and they missed out b/c they wouldnt listen to him.

    the bible and the koran dont run parallel with each other at all there is no way to belive in both.
     
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    This is exactly why the Koran is wrong, and why every muslim who believes this is wrong.

    Christians are NOT "people of the book". Christians are a "people of the person" and that person is Jesus Christ. From the very beginning, muhammed got it wrong. He actually had no idea what being a christian was all about, and therefore substituted his own thoughts. Christian's do not bow down before the Bible, we bow before our Lord, who is Jesus Christ, and who is a "person" in the Trinitarian God, which is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    Those that worship only Jesus Christ as God (and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, i.e. mormons) are going in that direction in which the Koran warns against. But then again, don't muslims pretty much worship muhammed (who was just a man, unlike Christ who was fully human and fully divine)? Wouldn't that be turning away from God and worshiping a false idol?
     
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    chant Well-Known Member

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    You do know that there are many different branches of Christianity, don't you? There are three main ones, Catholics, Protestant Reformation and Orthodox and then there are dozens and dozens of smaller versions of Christianity below those three. Some stress the importance of the holy trinity moreso than accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior while others follow the opposite way of belief. And this isn't even touching Judaism.

    So which one is supposed to be the correct definition of Christianity to you? How does one enter the kingdom of Heaven, through good deeds, through penance and asking to be absolved of your sins or by accepting Christ as your savior? Christianity is so personal and different to each person that when someone tries to draw a difference between Islam and Christianity you might as well be dividing lines between different groups of Christians...or for that matter, including Islam, Judaism and Christianity together since all three religions believe in a central monotheistic deity.
     
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    You are right. Christianity is about having a relationship with Jesus. There are no right denominations.
     
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    I think many of the denominations will find themselves to be in the same shoes as the pharisees that Jesus spoke to in the Bible. Same with the catholic church. The man made rules and laws that the religious leaders place upon the followers and the leaders themselves are found not to follow the laws of God. Hypocrisy at its greatest. Sad....

    (BTW, I am not saying I am any better, just hope to keep myself out of that trap.)
     
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    God has no son , he is the only creator and Christ Jesus is a prophet and a human "God bless him and Mohammad" his mother Mary is also human ! how can anyone believe the God may have son and why he must have son , do you think that God need someone to help him "Remember he is GOD "
     
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    . Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?

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    A. Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father. The Qur'an describes that an angel appeared to Mary, to announce to her the "gift of a holy son" (19:19). She was astonished at the news, and asked: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (19:20). When the angel explained to her that she had been chosen for the service of God, and that God had ordained the matter, she devoutly submitted herself to His will.
    In the Qur'an and other Islamic sources, there is no mention of Joseph the carpenter, nor any recollection of the inn and manger legend. On the contrary, the Qur'an describes that Mary retreated from her people (outside the city), and gave birth to Jesus underneath a remote date palm tree.

    The tree miraculously provided nourishment for her during labor and birth. (See Chapter 19 of the Qur'an for the entire story. The chapter has aptly been named "The Chapter of Mary.")
    However, the Qur'an repeatedly reminds us that Adam, the first human being, was born with neither a human mother nor a human father. Therefore, Jesus' miraculous birth affords him no higher standing or presumed partnership with God. When God ordains a matter, He merely says, "Be" and it is so. "The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be!" And he was" (3:59). In Islam, Jesus is regarded as a human prophet and messenger of God, not part of God Himself.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    Jesus is the Son of God. God in the flesh is Jesus. He is God as He said He is. Are you one to limit what God can do? Do you think that God can't put himself into flesh in a way that humans can get close to Him? If God came in all His glory it will kill everyone as He told moses who saw some of God's glory and lived.

    Jesus is God's plan, not some man's plan for redemption. God and Jesus are one so your line about 'must have a son" makes no sense.
     
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    Uh no...God's son is Jesus Who died for all of our sins.
     
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    Yes, that still does not change the fact that Christians are a "people of a person" and not "people of the book"...which again, is where Islam gets it wrong.
     
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    Uzair refers to Ezra in the Bible. I remember so because I was a prospective convert to Islam. But the Jews never considered anybody to be the son of God. This was a lie invented by Muslims so that they could stand out from the Jews. O r else everybody would be given the choice convert to Islam or Judaism. They just needed to find faults with Judaism.
     
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    The term "People of the Book" is given by God because both the Jews and Christians were given a book by God.
    And I being a Muslim, have never heard that Jews believe in a Son of God.
    All I know is that Jews betrayed prophet Moses (PBUH) which is mentioned in the Quran in Surah Almaida'h (5) in the verse 20 onwards.

    And for those who think that Muhammad (PBUH) "wrote" the Quran, please note that he had NO education! So how come a person having no knowledge write a book which has stories of prophets and innumeral scientific facts including the sweet-salty water barrier, the Big Bang, the water-cycle, emryology, the expanding universe, mountains being the strength of the earth and many many more?
    Do want me to give further evidence? Or are you one of the 800 wise people in USA who are accepting Islam every single day?
     
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    Nothing "scientific" in the Koran was revealed by Muhammad. Others of his day knew all the "scientific" things in the Koran.
     
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    like the theory of big bang?
    or like the salty-sweet water barrier?
    or like any of these?
    One verse that instructs man to travel through the earth, make his own observations and use such surveillances to reflect on how creation was originated (29:20).

    A group of verses that refer to the shape of the earth (13:3; 15:19; 26:28; 39:5; 50:7; 55:17; 65:12; 67; 70:40, 41); its motions (21:33; 36:40; 27:88; 12:3; 91: 1-4; 92:1,; 10:67; 77:10, 11; 27:71-73; 2:27; 29:61; 31:29; 35:13; 57:6; 36:37; 2:164; 3:190; 10:6; 23:80; 55:5; 14:33;) and its origin (21:30) where both the earth and the heavens are clearly described to have constituted (in their distant past) one entity (the initial singularity) before they split apart (Big Bang). This group also includes verses that emphasize the vastly distant positions of stars (56: 75, 76), the expanding nature of the universe (51:47), the smoky nature of the early sky (universe) (41:11, 12), the existence of the interstellar matter (20:6; 21:16; 25:59; 30:8; 32:4; 37:5; 38:10, 27, 66) and the concentric nature of both the heavens and the earth (the universe) (67:3); (71:15) and (65:12).( )


    One verse stating that iron was sent down to us, thus emphasizing the celestial (extraterrestrial) origin of iron in our planet (57:25).


    One verse that describes the deeply faulted nature of the earth (86:12).


    A group of verses that describe some of the most recently discovered oceanographic phenomena such as:
    i) The superheated nature of the bottoms of certain seas and oceans - implying intensive submarine volcanic activity associated with sea-floor spreading.
    ii) The complete separation of different bodies of water (fresh and saline, as well as saline water of different compositions) that do not mix completely or immediately due to the constant presence of impassable barriers in between (25:53; 55:19, 20).
    iii) The multitude of darkness produced in the greatest depths of oceans by deep currents, topped by surface currents, topped by clouds (24:40).


    One verse that describes mountains as pegs or pickets (78:7), emphasizing their relatively small, above-ground elevations, compared to their much more deeply buried parts (roots), and their role in the fixation of continental masses as well as of the whole planet. This role is emphasized in ten other verses that also ascribe more functions to mountains such as their part in the process of precipitation of rain and in the formation of natural heads for running streams (27: 61; 31: 10; 50:7; 77: 27; 79: 32). In this group, the Qur'an asks human beings to contemplate on a number of observations in the universe including how mountains are made to stand up on the surface of the earth (88:19). Such speculation has led to the formulation of the concept of isostacy which is currently used to explain the rising of mountains (and of all other surface elevations) above their surroundings. In another verse of this group (35:27), the Qur'an describes mountains as being composed of white and red tracts of various shades of colours and of others that are black and intense in hue. This is in clear reference to both acidic mountains (which are dominantly granitic in composition, with overwhelming white and red colours of various shades) and basic to ultrabasic mountains (which are dominantly basaltic/ gabbroic in composition with black coloured ferromagnesian minerals). Each of these major primary rock groups has its specific chemical and mineralogical compositions as well as its specific temperature of separation from its mother magma. Their dominant colours are also reflected in their secondary and/or tertiary products of sedimentary and metamorphic rock, and hence, the importance of these three principal colours (white, red and black) in the classification of igneous rocks and of their derivatives.


    A group of verses that reflect on the earth's hydrosphere and atmosphere, which are both clearly stated to have been outgassed from within the earth (LXXIX: 20, 31), a fact that has only very recently been discovered. Other verses in this group comment on the protective nature of the atmosphere for life on earth (21:32; 86: 11), the absolute darkness of outer space (15: 14, 15), the reduction of atmospheric pressure with elevation (6:125) and the glowing nature of the early nights of our planet before the formation of its protective atmospheric spheres (17:12).


    A group of verses that emphasize the thinness of the earth's crust (71:19), the constant levelling and degradation of the earth's surface and the gradual change in the geographic dimensions of continental masses, and even the contraction of the whole planet and the deformation of its surface (13:41; 21:44; 78:6).


    Verses emphasizing the fact that groundwater is generated from rain, thus reflecting on the hydro-geological cycle (23:18; 31:10), and others relating life on earth to water (21:30; 24:45) or reflecting on the possibility of classifying life forms (6:38).


    Verses emphasizing the fact that the process of creation took place in successive stages over tremendously long spans of time (22:47; 32:5).


    Two verses that describe the end of our planet and of the whole universe by reversing the process of its creation after which the eternal universe will be created (14:48).
     
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    Guys Can Anyone Answer My Question ?

    Have Anyone Of You Ever Died And Went To A Tomb ?

    If The Answer Is No Then You Cant Say Jesus Is The Son Of God

    Let The Days Show You ,

    Jesus "peace Be Upon Him " Is A Propeht ..
     
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    So God has made his third and last edition of religion with flaws since your prophet can't take the blame? Ahmad has accepted that Jews never believed in the concept of son of god. Yes, during Moses' time the Jews (not all ) worshiped the calf idol. So Calf is Ezra and Ezra is Calf? The koran continuously blasphemes.
     
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    "The Jews call 'Uzair (Ezra) a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. "
     
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    what kind of question is that? of course none of us have died... including you...
    if you believe Jesus said "peace be upon him"
    then why don't you believe when he said he was the Son of God?

    Also the statement why would God need a son he can do it all him self. then why would God even need prophets?

    in Gen 1:26 he gave man dominion over the earth, and man surrendered that dominion over to satan. so in order for God to come in and correct man's mistake he had to have a son to be born a human in order to take back the authority on earth.
    Yes God is all powerful but he is also bound by his Word, and when he gave man the authority on earth he cant go back on his Word.

    guess what, if you study the bible it acctually makes sense...:eek:
     
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