VA Shooter Appears to Have Been Muslim

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by KalvinB, Apr 17, 2007.

  1. ablaye

    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    #121
    Could have been worse... I could have been a zionist.
     
    ablaye, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #122
    Have you seen this one?

    http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041807B
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #123
    ...but settled for being a muslim.

    Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.

    Is that the same "Land of Israel" mentioned in the quran?
     
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  4. ablaye

    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    #124
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #125
    You never invited me to your mosque!
     
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  6. ablaye

    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    #126
    Well, in my mosque, we preach the truth. I could not say the same thing about racketeering and holocaust cult.

    Gilad Atzmon is an accomplished writer and one of the most famous Jewish musicians in the world. His recent CD called Exile was named the year’s best jazz CD by the BBC. Atzmon served in the Israeli military but later came to be one of the most eloquent opponents of Zionism in the world. Atzmon helps us understand the Holocaust mentality of Jewish extremists. It is a mentality that long predates what is referred to as “The Holocaust” with a capital “H”, for as Atzmon denotes in the title of his article, this Holocaust mentality has been going on “From Esther to AIPAC.”
     
    ablaye, Apr 18, 2007 IP
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #127
    just like there are many christian extreemists that twist the bible there are many muslim extremists that twist the koran. I know many moderate muslims who do not go around murdering people. On the contrary they treat people with respect and compassion. Im sure there are many people that know their koran that could explain those few paragraphs that people keep bringing up that preach hatred and killing. Heck u can take a few sentences from any holy book that says to kill if you pick your right spots. All this religious racism is is so full of bs.
     
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  8. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #128
    I believe in my own supreme ability to rule the world fairly and without unjustness to either side of the spectrum of faiths, and establishing peace between them.

    Because if they don't get along... well, I'll let you fill in the blank.

    Back on topic now - The man was mentally corrupted by his own feelings, and he probably suffered from a pdd or "Personality Deficit Disorder" which of course, fed into his own self loathing and self hatred, which he chose to blame on everyone else. These people need to be stopped beforehand.
     
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  9. ablaye

    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    #129
    http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon03032007.html
     
    ablaye, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  10. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #130
    I could unify the world - if I was supplied the means to.

    A great Electric Future!
    Part I
    Part II
    Part III
    Part IV

    I haven't decided if I will write up the conclusion just yet. It usually hits me randomly and takes me about 30 minutes to jot down.

    Back on point - again - The shooter was disturbed. This has nothing to do with faith.
     
    Jackuul, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  11. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #131
    Abalye's great Jew Detector strikes again.

    The kind of "truth" that leads you to hate Jews and accuse everyone who says things you don't like of being a Jew.

    Your reading comprehension skills are non-existent.

    Name 5 mass murderers who justified the killing of their victims based on the lack of immorality of the victims who did not claim to be Islamic.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  12. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #132
    Adolf Hitler
    Josef Stalin
    Mao
    Colonel Custard
    Every Pope from 0AD to the last inquisition
     
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  13. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #133
    Listening to the video he does seem to be talking about personal abuses inflicted on him by others.

    Leave it to the news to miss that. He's basically accusing the rich kids of having everything and being able to do anything and yet they still felt a need to pick on him. He's not saying he's doing it because they're immoral. But that they have all the pleasures of life but still have to make his life miserable.

    The literary stuff seems to be a symptom of being an English major. The references to Jesus' suffering fit with the over dramatic scripts he wrote.

    The "Ismail" thing still isn't explained. There's a lot of stuff that has yet to be released.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 18, 2007 IP
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    dilipsam Well-Known Member

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    #134
    About the reference to Ishmael and Abraham in Koran.

    Nowhere in the Koran, has the person laid on the sacrificial alter been named. Since Ishmael was an Arab ancestor, the Muslims conveniently claimed him to be laid on the sacrificial altar.
     
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    dilipsam Well-Known Member

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    #135
    I'm afraid there might be a God. Look at these predictions about Ishmael in the Old Testament:

    Hagar became pregnant and despised Sarah, which resulted in harsh treatment by Sarah. Hagar fled from Sarah and ran into the wilderness, where an angel appeared to her.
    The angel of the Lord told her to return, adding
    • "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
    The angel also said to her:
    • You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.
    • He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. (NIV, Genesis 16)
     
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    #136
    Can someone link me to a youtube of the video?
     
    Johnny Inferno, Apr 18, 2007 IP
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    #137
    Links of videos exhibiting violence can't be posted here I guess
     
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  18. KalvinB

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    #138
    dilipsam:

    A little background:

    Abraham was married to Sarah. Sarah couldn't have a child so she told him to go sleep with Hagar. Hagar is who gave birth to Ishmael.

    God later gave Sarah the ability to have a child and she gave birth to Isaac.

    The confusion comes from the fact that God calls Isaac Abraham's only son yet Ishmael had already been born to Hagar. That's why Muslims assume the Bible is wrong and Ishmael was the son that was sacrificed.

    Ishmael was circumsized at the age of 13 (ouch). Issac was circumcized at the age of 8 days which is when male children are supposed to be circumcized.

    In essence, Abraham disowned Ishmael. If Abraham cared about Ishmael he would have circumcized him at 8 days old as well. Even God didn't see Ishmael as Abraham's son because Ishmael was an illegitimate child.

    So yes, Isaac was his only son. The one he loved.

    It's that resentment that lives on today. The Koran even teaches that Jews and Christians are not children of God. Muslims want to believe that God doesn't call anyone his child.

    The shooter could relate to Ishmael because he felt like the disowned child. His sister went to Princton. What's he doing in a state school?

    There's no reason to link to the videos. People can find them if they want to see them.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 18, 2007 IP
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    #139
    All the once I found were to sites were u need freakin WMA plugin :/ saw it anyway, sounds like a disturbed kid, didn't see one bit of religious motivation, like in other videos were people show alla akbar an stuff :confused:
     
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    #140
    He blamed Jesus a couple of times like, "jesus cruzified me" and so on. This were well thought attacks on Christianity.
    One thing I realized that he was obsessed with his ideas and we're going to find out the details.
     
    Arnie, Apr 18, 2007 IP