Let me know when you have Surah 60 debunked. You might want to enlist debunked, just make sure he reads the Old Testament first. Have a wonderful evening!
Not everyone has the ability to learn. Are you rewriting history here? You've not disproved anything relating to a golden rule in islam. Fabricated experiences that have no foundation or source have no value in a debate. Anyone can make them up. Your posts on sura 60 were responded to by me and went unchallenged after such. You seem to avoid virtually everything and move from one thing to another. Don't walk away now, I've enjoyed owning you and watching you get owned. Surely this isn't the best you have to offer? That would be a real disappointment. I suspect you'll move on like so many others do. "Billy the kids" often show up in the forum, looking to make a name off someone. Your effort is nothing special or unusual.
Let me know when you actually present an argument for it. Your last reference in relation to not befriending Christians and Jews was shot down and you walked away. Did you have something else to add?
http://www.harmlessasdoves.com/twoswords.html The swords were to make a point. Not for actual use. Contrast that to the Muslim god's call to arms. There is a god who's kingdom is this world. ------ Battles were won with less in the OT. No wonder Peter was confused. And actually they never were armed according to the Bible while on their travels.
Were you trying to be obtuse, or are we experiencing a short attention span? I just want to be clear. Make clear what? That they support terrorists and/or are anti-semitic. I sense you seem to have a little crush on me Wasn't it just a few days ago you were highlighting your hypocrisy by calling me out as putting others down right in the middle of when someone was doing the same to me, but had not a word to say about it?
I must have missed that one. What verse in the Koran is the golden rule? Isn't that the one where non muslims must hand over the gold or be subject to harsh rules?
Everyone missed it because he never did it. His ego is causing him to give away credibility prematurely when it isn't really necessary yet. A bad move in the game of chess.
Tell me about it. Some of the guys in this thread haven't figured out when they are getting taken for a ride. Actually, I posted the Hadith that serves as the Islamic equivalent of the Golden Rule. You immediately sidetracked to Surah 5:51 while continuing to ignore Surah 5:57 and 60:8+9. My experiences are not fabricated. There are massive Islamic communities living in the West who do not perpetuate terror and still manage to maintain their religious commitments without disrupting local laws or social life. This is obvious even to the blind. Are you down to the "Liar, liar pants on fire defense?" Where did you respond to Surah 60? That stuff works on the emotionally unstable. This isn't my first forum debate, and it probably won't be my last. Owning me is something that kiddies worry about. I'm much more interested in any one point you have made in this thread that cannot be refuted. Don't flatter yourself. Besides the pretty rep bar and high post count, I don't know you from the next username around here. Taking you down is not my ambition. That's juvenile nonsense. I'm here for a debate about Islam and I am waiting for someone from the "Islam basher" contigent to make a watertight point. I think I will catch the rest of the Magic/Pistons game and check back tomorrow to see if any epiphanies have occurred in this thread. While it has been entertaining, it is not entertainment.
I get mine from California.. You cant beat Everybodys Nuts. As for Muslims, a Muslim taught me how to ride a bike without training wheels.
I think what he meant is that because you're not an Islamic scholar you have no ability to make the claim that there is no golden rule in Islam. And since you can't prove it's not there, it must be there. Somewhere....surely it's just on the page....murder...hate...kill...surely it's just a page or two from here... Hadiths are only as individually reliable as they are liked. If a Muslim doesn't like a particular saying out of the hadiths then it is deemed unreliable and not true. So no, you failed in showing that the Quran contains the golden rule which is what was asked for. In fact by quoting the Hadith, you've proven our point. Non muslims are not brothers or sisters to Muslims. The golden rule is "do unto others and you would have them do unto you." It doesn't say "brothers" because we are also told by God to love our "enemies." Not just our "brothers." That's actually opens up more problems for Muslims by claiming that Hadith is the Muslim's golden rule. It highlights the core problem in Islam that leads to so much hatred and bloodshed. http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/brother.html
But you just said earlier that they were for protection of the disciples. Jesus, "When the Romans come, wave those swords around but please don't try to hurt anyone" ------------ Now that is irrelevant. They were living the New Testament. There is a search function in this thread. It's not in the Koran. The Islamic Golden Rule is Hadith. I'm really enjoying this guys. Honest. But the NBA calls.
I think you have Hadith totally incorrect. It's really no different than the New Testament. Much of the Bible is second hand reporting. The parts written by the Disciples aren't any more valid than the Hadiths written by Imams. Muslims also believe Christians and Jews are children of God. Christians are pretty clear on the fact that they think Jews will not be allowed in Heaven because they won't accept Jesus. At least Muslims meet you half way by making Jesus a prophet. Toodles.
Many of the Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, that is a fact, some do. The questions are bait. Any version that stays true and wasn't influenced by a religion to change IE. jw's verson. What judgement am I making on others and their faith besides calling it as I see it using God's Word as the test. I didn't call muslims sinners, but I would say that they are just like me and everyone else in the world. You still seem to be assuming something about me that is off, like I have said something to make you think I was part of some wierd cult?
I seem to recall a Muslim repeatedly telling me we are not the children of God which is why I've been repeatedly looking for an explaination. Why do you feel the need to lie to me? And I corrected myself. You should try that sometime instead of just ignoring what people are telling you and making excuses. And, as I pointed out, it's doublespeak. The Golden Rule of Islam only applies to Muslims. Unless you can prove by the Quran that all people (not just Muslims) are brothers and sisters. It's very relevent.
A sura is not a hadith. There was no sidetracking here. The context of the discussion was clearly about not befriending Christians and Jews. The verses you presented in no way account for a "golden rule." Nor do they abrogate the version nor the source that you simply chose to dismiss as "hate" when provided. No one is suggesting islamic communities in the west are perpetuating terror, though many have been caught in early stages of doing such, including members of Cair. Your argument is a strawman argument as no one here is suggesting what you are declaring. Where did you make an argument for it? Simply posting scriptures is not an argument. I responded further down your post to other verses which you included with 60 in this post, then later asked if I was translating Arabic. If you have an argument, make it. Thus far, you have not. And for every argument you have made, it has been shot down with scripture. Leaving you with "personal" unverified stories as your last resort. Stick with the facts. I hope not as I'm taking great pleasure in what little you have to offer thus far. I encourage you to stick around Owning you is what is taking place. Nor do I know you. Which is exactly why I stated you haven't earned any credibility to be questioning debunked's early on. That still holds true. Perhaps you should try making a watertight argument first. So far you have failed in this respect. If you return, you return. Instead of pointless arguments, perhaps you could try your hand at making an argument or actually countering one with facts for a change. I find it quite enjoyable myself. Until tomorrow, of if your narcissism cannot hold off till then...
Us is the reader of this thread. I also want to know, Do you have muslim friends or meet muslim? I think there plenty of them in the US or UK. Do you ever meet one of them in real life?
well for your information that quran is the same as is, nothing has changed since 1000 years ago, there is no new testament, no new version. That why we keep it in arabic, not translated. If you want to translate the quran to your language, translate it from arabic, the original.
Muslims also killed in serbs and bosnia, thousands of man, woman, children. but for you that doesn't count right? For you they just muslim, a cancer.