What is your reasoning on these Verses from the Kuran?

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  1. DiscussionPeace

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    #21

    With this Muhhamed showed he knows next to nothing about the Kingdom of God/Paradise.

    As any intelligent person knows, Paradise is not about possessing material things. Diamonds, gold, houses have no value in Paradise.

    God does not need crippled people.

    Lying is MUCH, MUCH bigger sin than stealing. Muhhamed apparently didn't know that too.

    True Prophets Possess almost nothing. No houses, no businesses, etc.. They money enough to meet their needs. Nothing more. They know they didn't come on Earth to be harsh on sinners, but to help them.

    Muhammad is not just harsh to sinners; he is very, very brutal to them.

    Jesus was exactly opposite to Muhammad. Always forgiving, or ready to forgive.
     
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    #22

    Muhammad was very forgiving of the those who did something to him (violence etc). But how could he forgive someone for commiting a crime against another person in a society?

    Jesus was forgiving, I completely agree, but to those who committed crimes against him.

    If you still do not understand my point, heres an example. I committed a crime against you and was forgiven. Can you tolerate it? I wont.

    And Islam helps the sinners too, by stopping them from committed the sins and NOT by setting them free after they've committed a crime.
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #23
    Crimes like:
    • Freedom of speech
    • Freedom of religion
    • Freedom to choose how you dress yourself
    • Freedom to eat when you want to eat
    • Freedom to choose your own sexual orientation
    • Freedom to engage in consensual sex
    Boy howdy, I'm glad criminals who do those things are never set free...
     
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    astire Peon

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    #24
    try to spit on moon..it will fall back on your face making it even more dirty........
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #25
    Now where did I put that spare jizya?
     
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    #26
    I've got a moon for you, right here in my pants...
     
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    #27
    God bless you. You are a good muslim.

    The moon is not luminous – it just reflects light from the sun.

    When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world; Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
    —John 8:12, NIV
     
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    #28
    Most people in the middle East have very little education. They have not read the quran, they have not read any spiritual book. All they know is what their parents and the mullahs tell them about islam. They teach them that islam is the right religion, muhammad is the best and last prophet, women should be covered, sinners should be Severely punished, and many other things that are related mostly to their daily life, not about the Divine world. This is generally their spiritual education. Some of them open the quran, but their spiritual education ends right there - at the quran. The mullahs don’t let them read anything else.

    As soon as people get educated, people will leave Islam. Why? Because there is no talk about Love each other, love your enemy, and many, many other Divine ideas.

    God bless you muslims.
     
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    Postingpays Well-Known Member

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    #29


    He says: those wives who are kind to their husbands (are the obedient) they are obedient to Allah regarding their husbands, (guarding) their own persons and the wealth of their husbands (in secret) when their husbands are not present (that which Allah hath guarded) through Allah's protection of them in that He gave them the success to do so. (As for those from whom ye fear) know (rebellion) their disobedience to you in bed, (admonish them) by means of sacred knowledge and the Qur'an (and banish them to beds apart) turn your faces away from them in bed, (and scourge them) in a mild, unexaggerated manner. (Then if they obey you) in bed, (seek not a way against them) as regard love. (Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted) above every single thing, (Great) greater than every single thing. Allah has not burdened you with that which you cannot bear, so do not burden women with that which they cannot bear of affection.

    So this is the real greatness behing this verse, that Allah is telling muslims how to treat their wives.

    1. If they are Good you remain good to them.

    2. If they make something wrong and not trying to be good than Try to convince them by words.

    3.If still they are going wrong than Don't share their Beds, Just for the cause of making them move towards the right path.

    4. If still they are doing the same and not doing good, than Beat them Lightly.

    For this Aayah there are many Ahadis that beating lightly means to beat the women with small Miswaak (brush) still with love and effection not by anger.

    This is the greatness of Islam as Its teaching us to remain Calm and try our best to remain good and spread effection and love to each and every one including women.


    Now let me show some of the so called "Great" verses of Bible so that all the board members may get known of the Reality of Love and effection that christians are following ::

    And is this the way when a "man" is against a women .. according to the Bible ????

    Another nice saying for the Women ::

    I even don't think that the women and animals are treated same in Bible ::
    Something for women Slaves ....

    Also some burning notes for women, they must read while calling them the great Biblical lovers ..

    God Bless All Muslims, Christians & Jews ...
     
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    #30
    PostingPays, you just quoted a bunch of verses from the Old Testament.

    According to Christian doctrine, Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and it's laws and rules no longer apply.

    You have, accidentally I hope, created a straw man argument.
     
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    #31


    In America, we call that Assault and Battery and you go to jail for it.
     
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    Postingpays Well-Known Member

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    #32
    We are going with the laws of some country, we are following the laws of our Lord, and we are happy with that.

    So here would you like to explain Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and it's laws.. what that means ??
     
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    #33
    we have so much in common, both use our real names, and both had death threats from muslim fanatics

    that means we are LEET Will :D
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #34
    I always enjoyed this post by Henny. When people start quoting the Old Testament scriptures, many of which are above, it really puts things into perspective:

     
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    #35
    We are going with the laws of some country, we are following the laws of our Lord, and we are happy with that.[/quote]

    Some of you are happy with living in the 7th century of Dar Al-Islam, but that percentage is shrinking every year.

    Egads! I should probably leave that explanation to one of the Christians.

    Debunked is probably the most knowledgeable Christian theologian here. Let's hope he stumbles onto this topic.

    In brief, and in case Debunked doesn't show up, what it means is that the Old Testament was a contract between God and the Jews and that this contract is no longer in force because Jesus replaced it with a new contract for all humans. This new contract is described in the New Testament The Old Testament is studied for purely historical reasons.
     
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    #36
    The old testament was close to the "eye for an eye" law.

    The baby grew up and needs solid food. Jesus came to deliver it. Whoever consumes it will have eternal life.

    ""I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
    ..........
    48I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. "

     
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    #37
    So you consider your Old testiment as a historical thing. But again I have one thing in my mind ..

    You say :: "Old Testement is correct & Jesus (as) approved that"

    But again if Jesus (as) approved something than why is there the need of giving a New Testament ? Why not he (as) apply his (as) own laws on the bases of old testament. and again If the Christians consider the Old Testament as God’s Word, why did they cancel the parts of the Old Testament that dealt with punishment (example: the punishment for adultery) and take some other out of it ???

    And one final thing and which I know no Christian was able to give a "Solid" reply, is that :: How can you take two gospels from writers who never met Jesus(as), like Mark and Luke ???

    How can we call that thing "authentic" as well ??
     
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    #38
    Who said that? Where? Can you quote?

    Are you just setting up another weak straw man argument?
     
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    #39
    Here I am reffering to all the christians who say that the Old testament is correct and Jesus (as) was came to approve that not deny.

    You must be Posative while thinking about others. This is just the High negative approach toward Islam and Muslim which leads you say such type of words.
     
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    #40
    No, it is your recurring use of poorly constructed straw man arguments which leads me to saying those words.

    Straighten up and fly right! Allah detests liars!
     
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