Do meta keywords still matter for SEO??

Discussion in 'Keywords' started by Ryandarin, Apr 9, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hey guys, im really confused and im making a new website, so I've heard some people say that keywords don't matter anymore and then other people use them for every site... So, should I just put them incase they do count...Does anyone really know for sure if they do count for search rank?

    Thanks for helping me out :)
    Ryan
     
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  2. sacada2

    sacada2 Well-Known Member

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    #2
    Lot of Seo Experts still advise to use meta keywords since according to them small search engine's still use this, but we can see some website that ranks well in Google for a competitive keyword without any meta keywords, even meta description.

    I'll still use it, but I'm not sure if it really helps.
     
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  3. Cypherus

    Cypherus Peon

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    #3
    Personally, I only run local Norwegian sites, so I don't really care about the meta keywords. All the big search engines doesn't really care about them anymore, so why should you?
     
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    thudufushi Well-Known Member

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    Easy one this. If you do some further reading on the matter on SEO forums you will reveal the answer. I would say this, if you are focused on Google and not interested in minor search engines, you can safely ignore the keywords meta tag. This is because Google has NEVER used the keywords meta tag, and thats not my opinion as an SEO expert, but a fact.

    So hope that helps friend, have a great day!
     
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  5. all4one

    all4one Peon

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    thudufushi, is right about google...but it takes so little effort to put them in and every little bit helps.

    So why not just put them in and forget about it:)

    -all4one
     
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  6. bdw

    bdw The Booler

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    I often use the KW meta to remind me of the words and terms that the page is optimised for. It can be a handy way of doing this.
     
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    It's true that google does not look at these meta keywords anymore. Just focused on your content.
     
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    Janna122003 Banned

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    #8
    Some says that meta keywords are useless but for some search engine they still have value. Besides meta keywords won't hurt your rankings.
     
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    pulikuttann Banned

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    #9
    I think the search engines now really avoid meta keywords !!!
     
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  10. DavidK1

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    Wow... out of 8 posts, the only correct one. Just saying "Fact" doesn't make it so. It's just SILLY to think Google or any other "big" search engine doesn't "use" them. It's outright NONSENSE to say Google never used them.

    You people should really use the search feature here. This has been talked about MANY times. Yahoo has said publicly that they use them. Matt Cutts talks about metas on his blog.

    Keywords Metas are viewed as a sugestion, a way for the webmaster to tell Google what they believe are appropriate keywords for the site. It doesn't mean that they have to use them, or give them any direct value.

    If your keywords are not relevant to the content, a penalty can result. If they are relevant, then indirectly it can be a benefit. It adds emphasis to what Google has already found in the content.

    Of course there is no harm in omitting them, but having relevant ones can help!
     
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    Claudek Well-Known Member

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    I am suprised by the bad advice here. I was just reading on Yahoo's blog yesterday that they put some weight on meta keywords. As Google has not published its weighting, I cannot see how a definitive answer as No, SEs do not look at meta keywords could arise.

    Use them where you can. There is no need to go overboard but at least now you know one major SE does look at it.
     
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    I do not see what you got to lose by putting meta's
     
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    #13
    Just want to give an example;

    This site "http://www.tweaksforgeeks.com/" has no meta keywords.
    Search this in Google "computer repair". It's on the first page.

    My site has a lot of meta keywords but I'm on page 22.

    How could you explain this.
     
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  14. DavidK1

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    Very easily.

    They have a way better links structure, which is why their PR spreads very well. They have almost double the backlinks you do, and they are better quality as well.

    Your meta tags are terrible. The description is barely relevant, and your keywords tag is over done. It's practically keyword stuffing, and the relevancy to the content on the page is POOR.

    Thanks for sharing that. Proved my point quite nicely.
     
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    sacada2 Well-Known Member

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    Just put those keywords before I post. I just got it from overture keyword tool. But I already removed it.
    If you can see my cache I have other set of keywords. I'm using submitexpress meta analyzer and was told my meta is really terrible, but also told that just a little is enough, most important is content, but not sure too if my content is not terrible.

    I'm still an Seo student and doing some seo experiment. I'm experimenting this keyword "computer repair". You can see my previous post here.

    Thanks for your comments, now I know the reasons why I can't beat them.

    But it's a challenge, I'll work on that.


    But this is the real reason why they are on the first page and not because of meta keywords.

     
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    thudufushi Well-Known Member

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    No you are wrong. I stated FACT. Read more... Google has never used the meta keywords tag. If you knew half as much as me about SEO I wouldnt have to repeat myself. Go read, then you can come back and apologise.
    Cheers,

     
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  17. DavidK1

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    #17
    LOL!! Okay mighty one! :rolleyes:

    You know more than the companies and the employees. You know more than w3c. What are you even doing here? Why haven't you fused with the internet yet?

    Seriously. Are you just going to keep talking noise, or are you going to provide some valid references to your claim?

    if it gives a penalty for overstuffing the meta keywords and/or not being relevant to the content , then it is USING it! nothing beats that logic... sorry.
     
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    thudufushi Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Ok thats funny. But honestly I am right. If you cant find a source confirming it let me know it, I might be inclined to find one, but I dont need to prove myself.
    matt cutts , w3c have never said google uses meta keywords, simply, because they never have.
    cheers bud.
     
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  19. DavidK1

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    then why does he advise people in his blog how to use them? I never said the w3c said that. The w3c lists metas as valid html, you can't go wrong with proper html format, Google likes proper html format.

    Remember. I said indirect benefits, not given direct consideration. You can't argue with the logic.

    What now Mr self proclaimed guru?
     
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  20. thudufushi

    thudufushi Well-Known Member

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    David I dont have time, Im paid very well to do SEO for large companies. Do some reading instead of posting and you'll see I am correct. Be careful, I said 'keyword' meta tag not 'meta tags' generally.

    I am a guru. Number 1 in the world for certain seo competitive searches.
     
    thudufushi, Apr 12, 2007 IP