Why we must resist Israel's push for America to attack Iran

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For the sake of peace, we must not let Israel influence our nation once again to go attack another muslim nation.

Meet just a few of your Jewish Supremacist Warmongers
From left to right: William Kristol, Richard Perle, Ari Fleischer, Israeli Prime Minister and Mass-Murderer Ariel Sharon, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Douglas Feith

http://NoWarForIsrael.com/

Enough!!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKnprfzpI3w

Stop the evil jew before it takes all your money. And before the female jew lays an egg and another jew is born!

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lorien1973 said: ↑

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKnprfzpI3w

Stop the evil jew before it takes all your money. And before the female jew lays an egg and another jew is born!
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I would not go that far.
Stop trying to change the topic.

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ablaye said: ↑

I would not go that far.
Stop trying to change the topic.
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Stop being an idiot.

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I'm agreeing with you. Can't you see that. Stop the jews. they are trying to take all of our money. The women suck on the blood of muslim kids at night and lay eggs in their carcasses to populate the planet with more jews. When will the madness end

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I believe the decision for war has already been made, Israel's influence is meaningless...

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I believe the decision for war has already been made, Israel's influence is meaningless...
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You miss the point. Israel is the REASON.
The architects of the Iraq WAR??? Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, all well-known zionists.

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And here I was thinking CAIR and their grievence theatricals were the real enemies. After all, a number of their senior members have been convicted on charges of terrorism? How many Jews have been convicted on terrorism charges?

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I'll tell you they are rich too, is it true they keep money under their hats?

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You miss the point. Israel is the REASON.
The architects of the Iraq WAR??? Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, all well-known zionists.
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Well known to whom? Your Zionophobia is astounding! (Yup, I can make up words too)

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I've heard of it before "Zionophobia" is real!

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And here I was thinking CAIR and their grievence theatricals were the real enemies. After all, a number of their senior members have been convicted on charges of terrorism? How many Jews have been convicted on terrorism charges?
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HOw many American Jews have been caught spying for Israel???
Last year, the FBI caught 2 guys from AIPAC trying to pass on some classified info about Iran to Israel.
Isn't Israel supposed to be our "best" friend???
I have never heard of a best friend spying on his friend.

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They have a right to keep their enemies in sight, Iran has bound to have sent spies into Israel.

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ablaye said: ↑

HOw many American Jews have been caught spying for Israel???
Last year, the FBI caught 2 guys from AIPAC trying to pass on some classified info about Iran to Israel.
Isn't Israel supposed to be our "best" friend???
I have never heard of a best friend spying on his friend.
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Indeed, I remember. I also remember a number of muslims serving in "our" (term used loosely here) military having been caught spying over the past few years. In fact, one blew up members of his unit at the outset of the war.

So who is our best friend now?

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Indeed, I remember. I also remember a number of muslims serving in "our" (term used loosely here) military having been caught spying over the past few years. In fact, one blew up members of his unit at the outset of the war.

So who is our best friend now?
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Yes, there have been quite a number of jews serving in "our" military having been caught over the past few years. Does Pollack ring a bell???
At least muslims are not trying to influence the US to attack other countries.

AIPAC and Espionage:
Guilty as Hell
Pentagon analyst plea bargains, threatens to expose Israel's Washington cabal

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7454

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At least muslims are not trying to influence the US to attack other countries.
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Really? Perhaps you knew him?

Speaking of interesting articles, I thought you might be interested in this one, since you are concerned about "fooling the establishment."

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3437

Perhaps the most obvious problem with CAIR is the fact that at least five of its employees and board members have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities.

Randall ("Ismail") Royer , an American convert to Islam, served as CAIR's communications specialist and civil rights coordinator; today he sits in jail on terrorism-related charges. In June 2003, Royer and ten other young men, ages 23 to 35, known as the "Virginia jihad group," were indicted on forty-one counts of "conspiracy to train for and participate in a violent jihad overseas." The defendants, nine of them U.S. citizens, were accused of association with Lashkar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. Department of State in 2001. They were also accused of meeting covertly in private homes and at the Islamic Center in Falls Church to prepare themselves for battle by listening to lectures and watching videotapes. As the prosecutor noted, "Ten miles from Capitol Hill in the streets of northern Virginia, American citizens allegedly met, plotted, and recruited for violent jihad." According to Matthew Epstein of the Investigative Project, Royer helped recruit the others to the jihad effort while he was working for CAIR. The group trained at firing ranges in Virginia and Pennsylvania; in addition, it practiced "small-unit military tactics" at a paintball war-games facility in Virginia, earning it the moniker, the "paintball jihadis." Eventually members of the group traveled to Pakistan.

Five of the men indicted, including CAIR's Royer, were found to have had in their possession, according to the indictment, "AK-47-style rifles, telescopic lenses, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and tracer rounds, documents on undertaking jihad and martyrdom, [and] a copy of the terrorist handbook containing instructions on how to manufacture and use explosives and chemicals as weapons."[6]

After four of the eleven defendants pleaded guilty, the remaining seven, including Royer, were accused in a new, 32-count indictment of yet more serious charges: conspiring to help Al-Qaeda and the Taliban battle American troops in Afghanistan. Royer admitted in his grand jury testimony that he had already waged jihad in Bosnia under a commander acting on orders from Osama bin Laden. Prosecutors also presented evidence that his father, Ramon Royer, had rented a room in his St. Louis-area home in 2000 to Ziyad Khaleel, the student who purchased the satellite phone used by Al-Qaeda in planning the two U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in August 1998. Royer eventually pleaded guilty to lesser firearms-related charges, and the former CAIR staffer was sentenced to twenty years in prison.

A coda to the "Virginia jihad network" came in 2005 when a Federal court convicted another Virginia man, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, of plotting to kill President Bush. Prosecutors alleged that Abu Ali participated in the Virginia jihad network's paintball games and perhaps supplied one of his fellow jihadists with an assault rifle. Royer's possible role in Abu Ali's plans are unclear.

Ghassan Elashi , the founder of CAIR's Texas chapter, has a long history of funding terrorism. First, he was convicted in July 2004, with his four brothers, of having illegally shipped computers from their Dallas-area business, InfoCom Corporation, to two designated state-sponsors of terrorism, Libya and Syria. Second, he and two brothers were convicted in April 2005 of knowingly doing business with Mousa Abu Marzook, a senior Hamas leader, whom the U.S. State Department had in 1995 declared a "specially designated terrorist." Elashi was convicted of all twenty-one counts with which he was charged, including conspiracy, money laundering, and dealing in the property of a designated terrorist. Third, he was charged in July 2004 with providing more than $12.4 million to Hamas while he was running the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, America's largest Islamic charity. When the U.S. government shuttered Holy Land Foundation in late 2001, CAIR characterized this move as "unjust" and "disturbing."

Bassem Khafagi , an Egyptian native and CAIR's onetime community relations director, pleaded guilty in September 2003 to lying on his visa application and passing bad checks for substantial amounts in early 2001, for which he was deported. CAIR claimed Khafagi was hired only after he had committed his crimes and that the organization was unaware of his wrongdoing. But that is unconvincing, for a cursory background check reveals that Khafagi was a founding member and president of the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA), an organization under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice for terrorism-related activities. CAIR surely knew that IANA under Khafagi was in the business of, as prosecutors stated in Idaho court papers, disseminating "radical Islamic ideology, the purpose of which was indoctrination, recruitment of members, and the instigation of acts of violence and terrorism."

For example, IANA websites promoted the views of two Saudi preachers, Salman al-Awdah and Safar al-Hawali, well-known in Islamist circles for having been spiritual advisors to Osama bin Laden. Under Khafagi's leadership, Matthew Epstein has testified, IANA hosted a conference at which a senior Al-Qaeda recruiter, Abdelrahman al-Dosari, was a speaker. IANA disseminated publications advocating suicide attacks against the United States, according to federal investigators.

Also, Khafagi was co-owner of a Sir Speedy printing franchise until 1998 with Rafil Dhafir, who was a former vice president of IANA and a Syracuse-area oncologist convicted in February 2005 of illegally sending money to Iraq during the Saddam Hussein regime as well as defrauding donors by using contributions to his "Help the Needy" charitable fund to avoid taxes and to purchase personal assets for himself. Dhafir was sentenced to twenty-two years in prison.

Rabih Haddad , a CAIR fundraiser, was arrested in December 2001 on terrorism-related charges and deported from the United States due to his subsequent work as executive director of the Global Relief Foundation, a charity he cofounded which was designated by the U.S. Treasury Department in October 2002 for financing Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

Siraj Wahhaj , a CAIR advisory board member, was named in 1995 by U.S. attorney Mary Jo White as a possible unindicted coconspirator in the plot to blow up New York City landmarks led by the blind sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman. In defense of having Wahhaj on its advisory board, CAIR described him as "one of the most respected Muslim leaders in America." In October 2004, he spoke at a CAIR dinner.

This roster of employees and board members connected to terrorism makes one wonder how CAIR remains an acceptable guest at U.S. government eventsâ€”and even more so, how U.S. law enforcement agencies continue to associate with it.
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Kinda makes that "Jewish Lobby" thing look pale in comparison, eh?

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ablaye said: ↑

Isn't Israel supposed to be our "best" friend???
I have never heard of a best friend spying on his friend.
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Countries doesn't have "friends". They have interests.

Allies doesn't work perfectly with each others all the time.

Germany has ordered the arrest of 13 suspected CIA agents over the alleged kidnapping of one of its citizens.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6316369.stm

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Find an old but interesting article about modern espionage in America.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93649,00.html

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An article from an "average" Joe.

Top Scholars Claim Israel Behind Iran War Push

1-12-7 by Heraldo Fuentes for ViewZone
Ok, look. I'm Hispanic. I've been called everything from a '"beaner" to a "spic" so I fully understand racism and bigotry. Unfortunately, we Hispanic people don't have a catchy word like "anti-Semitism" to stop people from treating us bad or degrading us. So, in writing this article, go ahead and call me names and you can even add "anti-Semite" to the list if it makes you fee better.

Here's the scoop on the latest political moves in Washington. Bush is going to ramp up the troop level in Iraq despite the fact that amlost everyone opposes it. It's not because he has a screw loose, or is a beer short of a six-pack. In fact, he's being smart.

Last month the prime minister of Israel let it slip that Israel had nuclear weapons. Everyone already knew, but he made it overt. Earlier in 2007 the Israelis let it slip that they have been preparing their air force for attacks on a handful of Iranian nuclear development sites, even in such detail as how they were first to use American made bunker-buster bombs to carve out a corridor and then drop a 1000 kiloton nuke down the shoot.

In his famous "surge" speech, Bush hinted that Iran and Syria were targets of US military action because of their support for the insurgents and moved a couple of aircraft carriers to the Iranian coast. In the North of Iraq, the very next day, an Iranian embassy was stormed and Iranian diplomats were detained and the place ransacked. These actions got many of the news commentators asking if Bush wasn't planning a third war front, after Afghanistan and Iraq, in Iran.

On Friday, January 12, the president's press mouthpiece, Tony Snow, said that the many rumors that Bush was about to attack Iran were false. And I believe he was telling the truth. But here's how all these seemingly contradictory pieces fit together.

Within the next few weeks, Iran will be attacked by the Israeli Air Force who will use nuclear weapons (the first time since WWII and Hiroshima!) to destroy the nuclear production facilities in Iran. They will attack suddenly and then retreat. Iran will want to retaliate but will be kept in check by the fleet of US ships off their shore. The troops in Iraq will be used to secure the border with Iraq and Iran and will remain to prevent a backlash from the Iranians and Shiites.

All of this will be done for the benefit of Israel and at the great cost to America. Gas prices here will triple in a number of weeks and the US economy will be plundered. All of this will benefit Israel at our expense.

So call me names. They won't be as bad as the names most people will be calling Israel when they have no gas to go to work, if they still have a job, and if groceries go so sky high that a head of lettuce costs what once bought a porter house steak.

Read the article below. It's written about two very intelligent professors from Harvard who researched the influence that Israel have on US politicians. They found that, more often than not, decisions were made based on what was best for Israel -- even if it was dramatically against our own national security and interests of the the American citizens. But don't stop here... do your own research and open your own eyes.

Oh yeah... when you're finished, if you still have doubts, check this out! It'll blow your mind.

Start here:

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication.

Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kennedy School, and author of "Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in academic life.

They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and operates against American interests, that it has organized the funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle East dominates the policy debate.

And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life.

"Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

"The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books.

The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq.

"The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests."

"The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the Lobby.

"For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel," the article says.

"The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related effort to spread 'democracy' throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized not only U.S. security but that of much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the U.S. been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state?" Professors Walt and Mearsheimer add.

"The thrust of U.S. policy in the region derives almost entirely from domestic politics, and especially the activities of the 'Israel Lobby'. Other special-interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. interests and those of the other country - in this case, Israel -- are essentially identical," they add.

They argue that far from being a strategic asset to the United States, Israel "is becoming a strategic burden" and "does not behave like a loyal ally." They also suggest that Israel is also now "a liability in the war on terror and the broader effort to deal with rogue states.

"Saying that Israel and the U.S. are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around," they add. "Support for Israel is not the only source of anti-American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it makes winning the war on terror more difficult. There is no question that many al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, are motivated by Israel's presence in Jerusalem and the plight of the Palestinians. Unconditional support for Israel makes it easier for extremists to rally popular support and to attract recruits."

They question the argument that Israel deserves support as the only democracy in the Middle East, claiming that "some aspects of Israeli democracy are at odds with core American values. Unlike the US, where people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race, religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Given this, it is not surprising that its 1.3 million Arabs are treated as second-class citizens."

The most powerful force in the Lobby is AIPAC, the American-Israel Public affairs Committee, which Walt and Mearsheimer call "a de facto agent for a foreign government," and which they say has now forged an important alliance with evangelical Christian groups.

The bulk of the article is a detailed analysis of the way they claim the Lobby managed to change the Bush administration's policy from "halting Israel's expansionist policies in the Occupied Territories and advocating the creation of a Palestinian state" and divert it to the war on Iraq instead. They write "Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical."

"Thanks to the lobby, the United States has become the de facto enabler of Israeli expansion in the Occupied Territories, making it complicit in the crimes perpetrated against the Palestinians," and conclude that "Israel itself would probably be better off if the Lobby were less powerful and U.S. policy more even-handed."
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An article from an "average" Joe.

Top Scholars Claim Israel Behind Iran War Push

http://www.mondovista.com/iraniran.html
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Site also reports alien encounters

http://www.viewzone.com/tether.html

with jews from outerspace, perhaps?

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