40 Million results, Ranked No #1 in 20 days -Find out how

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by bacanze, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi people

    Well I just thought I would post an overview to clear up some theories and hopefully to spread some useful advice to fellow DP members.

    Right, Around 20 days ago, I bought and setup a web design forum (in sig) when I bought the domain, it was brand new and not be indexed in any SE, and had no baclinks. Today one of the members make a thread stating that the forum rank No #1 for the term ''CSS Chat' out of 40 million results, after just 20 days of the domain being purchased. I was absolutely blown away by this information, as I am quite experinced in the SEO field, and nothing like this has ever happend to me.7

    Proof
    Is Here


    How It was achieved

    Well to be honest, I have no idea :D

    No, seriously though, this is the only link development/seo work I have implement.
    • Sig Links - Well signiture links are free, and can help build up back links, I have included two links to the actual domain and another to a section using two different keywords within my DP forum signiture, and in other forums I visit. Anyway to cut it short, I purchased around 5 sig links in DP, and another two on other forums.
    • Quality Blog Posts - The second thing I did, was purchase around 5 blog post, now I didnt do any 100 blog posts for $10, as I was already getting a good quantity of links from sig links and other forums, I focused on the quality aspect, I paid around $10 to $20 per post for high quality blog posts, due to the price, either none or one DP member bought blog posts, which helped give much more weight to my blog post, whilst 98% of people went for the other option of mass blog posts.
    • Directories With directories, I decided to mix the results, I bought a couple of directory listings from high quality directories created by DP members, and also paid someone to submitted my site to around 300 standard directorys.
    • Forum Links - I purchased 2 home page links on quality forums, this lead to my appearing within all pages, including many pages with PR

    Pointers - Definately vary your achor text, only around 10% of the achor text links contained the phrase 'Chat CSS'.

    Quality & Quantity - Remeber to get both, what looks natural to a human user, will look natural to Google.

    Before you say it...

    I know the term 'CSS Chat' will not bring traffic, however it is more important for branding purposes.
    I know that the ranking results vary on different search engines, but thats just natural.
    I know that the sites ranking for this term are not really optimized for it, but 40 mil...:D
    I did not focus on the keyword phrase, I just included it several times, however I did include 'CSS' in a good amount of anchor links, this technique has been useful in the past ;) .

    Finance Part

    * Note - This is just an estimate I have not recorded anything

    Advertising Total - $50 (avatars, banners etc)
    Links total (no subscriptions) - $130

    Total Cost: $180


    Summary

    Well I hope I have helped you in some way, if you any questions, feel free to post them. Just remember to never give up, and keep your website 'fresh'.
    Have a great day, and best Regards
    Ash

    p.s. - Sorry about the typos :eek:
     
    bacanze, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  2. Erik Sandfort

    Erik Sandfort Peon

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    #2
    The domain name is almost always at the top of the search result for the domain name's keyword, no matter it's popularity.
     
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  3. manageyourlinks

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    #3
    Its worthy pointing out its really not hard at all to rank for the same term your site is called. Not to bash your methods or hard work. But worth pointing out.

    None the less thanks for taking the time to share your findings.
     
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  4. Roman

    Roman Buffalo Tamer™

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    #4
    "Css Chat" returns only 792 listing. There are 40 million pages listed that contain css or chat, but only 792 that contain "css chat"
     
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  5. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #5
    Often true. But to rank #1 out of over 41,000,000 results for "CSS Chat" is remarkable. 41,000,000 — that is competition! Kudos!
     
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  6. cianuro

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    #6
    With all due respect, the number of results is no indication of competition. Being an experienced SEO you should know that.

    There are only 665 results for allintitle:Css Chat and 9,770 for allinanchor.
    There are NO adwords advertisers (A small indication of how competitive a market is).

    Also, what the others said, it is your domain name. Do you think if there was real competition that this domain would not be taken already?

    Finally, youre site is very VERY new and is probably experience what some call the "Google Honeymoon Period".
     
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  7. cianuro

    cianuro Peon

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    #7
    No, it's not.

    If 20 companies are in competition for a fictional product called say "Fizzer Wizzer Bizzers" and they are the only 20 companies online selling this product. The only sites in the SERPS are these 20 sites.

    19 of these sites pour MILLIONS of dollars into link building and SEO. They get links from the top websites online. They have the best SEO teams on the planet.

    Does this mean that because there is only 20 results in Google that there is NO COMPETITION?
     
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  8. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Cianuro, points well taken. And a quick check I just made on the Keyword Suggestion tool showed zero daily searches for "CSS chat". I think I was too quickly impressed with the numbers. :eek:
     
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  9. cianuro

    cianuro Peon

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    #9
    Didn't mean to sound so.... nasty.

    One of my competition was speaking at a conference here in Ireland and they were plugging their service to smaller companies. They said that competition should be judged in this way and it really annoyed me.
     
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  10. check

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    #10
    But you forgot the most important:

    Domain Name

    I'm ranked second for the term Video Forum, there are 455,000,000 results
     
    check, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  11. cianuro

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    Nope, it was mentioned three times.
     
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    wisam74us Well-Known Member

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    #12
    This is not a small indication, I remember more than a year before when I was trying to target this term "suggest link" it was more than 300 000 search volume with overture, (Now it is far less) and I did it in less than 2 weeks but the traffic was almost 0 from this term, I have noticed that time that no adwords for this term but I thought cause it is not that profitable. So now I always check the density of adwords in the SERP when I want to evaluate the completion for a key phrase
     
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    megdilts Active Member

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    #13
    All true. But it's still impressive since the domain is 20 days old. If I set a site using my name as domain, it won't be on top SR even if I search my name. But I do also think the domain name itself hold 65% of the work.
     
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  14. Jim4767

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    Ah, a touch of the Old Sod. My beloved late grandfather came over from Ballyhaunis, County Mayo, having been born there in the late 19th century. He would have been astonished at today's technology and could not have remotely imagined the things discussed in the referenced conference in his homeland.
     
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  15. grg

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    Sorry, but the whole thing is about traffic. Targetted and quality traffic. You can work out any original 'brand' name, and easily go to the top of search engines, but what then? How much it will cost you to make your brand popular (to make this phrase worth a penny)? Sorry, but this is only a very beginning of this game, and it's not about ~$200 links...
     
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  16. zangief

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    #16
    I don't find a reason someone on earth searches "css chat" , it has that many results cause chat and css are popular.
    How many hits do you receive for that keyword that is the main point.
     
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    bacanze,
    1. Your term is non-competitive. Having 40 million results for the term doesn't mean it's high competition, it just means there are a lot of sites using those terms. I checked your keyword combo in Overture's keyword traffic tool, and it had no data for that phrase, which means there were few or no searches for it last month. Anyone can rank a site for a non-competitive term.
    2. For competitive terms, new sites tend to rank high at first, and then fall when it gets equalized a few weeks later.
    So don't get so excited.

    The real test is how site does for a competitive term after one year from launch.
     
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  18. Kalyse

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    #18
    I agree. Id like to see the numbers. Id be suprosed to see more then 50 uniques a day.
     
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  19. agtile

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    #19
    I think Roman and cianuro basically said it all
    thanks
     
    agtile, Mar 30, 2007 IP