Something we can all agree on: US Income Tax Issue

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  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #21
    It doesn't matter what you wish, hope or think is right. This scheme has been in court before and it has been thrown out. What are you suggesting the people should do? Follow this and go to prison. ;)
     
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  2. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #22
    OK, so let me get this straight. You're telling me, that what I wish, hope or think isn't necessarily correct. However, you'd rather believe, on certain shady "evidence" that 9/11 attacks were inside jobs, yet you refuse to even consider the validity of this issue, even when it is backed by facts, former congressmen, IRS agents and impartial tax attorneys and experts?
     
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  3. Stealer

    Stealer Peon

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    #23
    oooo You dare ask..heheheh....

    Here is what I SUGGEST people do.

    Sign a petition about not paying taxes because it against our constitional rights.

    Make Web Sites with funding to help boost this.

    Stop being liberal bastards.

    Stop following what the government wants you to without question.

    Asking more then once for the government to take it's "vig" off of the money

    you work your but off for.
     
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  4. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #24
    YouTube video v. 200+ years of American Jurisprudence....

    Gee, I wonder why we don't all just jump up and agree with you... You ask to be taken seriously, but the arguments you put forth have been around for years and have been consistently dismissed as total hogwash. They will not get you out of paying taxes and will more likely make a criminal out of you.

    Sure you can just not pay your taxes.... but if you get caught, bunk like this is no defense and you will be laughed out of court.

    Hope it works for you, but again, it is very poor idea to be advising others to adopt tactics which the United States Courts have consistently held are not legal. You have said you are not a US citizen, so this is just fun and games to you, but if an American were to take your advice, they would be committing a crime.



     
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  5. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #25
    What are you going to do with this army of people? March on Washington? :rolleyes:

    IT HAS BEEN ALREADY A LEGAL RULING ON THIS MATTER AND COURTS HAVE THROWN OUT THIS ARGUMENT.

    What part of above sentence is unclear? ;)
     
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  6. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #26
    No they wouldn't, and people who have taken heed appear to be prison free.
     
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  7. Stealer

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    #27
    Dissmissed by a government you let spoon-feed you whatever it wants. By courts that get paid by your taxes. You really wonder why I am still even arguing because you have already accepted these as facts..( Of Course courts wouldn't rule against this because they get paid by your taxes.)
     
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  8. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #28
    Have fun defending criminal avoidance of taxes. It is a field well worth your time investment.

    I really don't care what you or anyone else does, I just like to make sure people don't blindly follow tripe like this without at least a counter warning that the theory is totally false and has been rejected by the Courts.

    Anyone listening to a non-us citizen giving tax advice based on a YouTube video...

    ...well, you probably get what you deserve.
     
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  9. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #29
    OK Mate, I don't know whether it's because you're in a bad mood, but what your ad hominem damages your argument.

    Then why the f*ck are you posting here?

    Hmmm you don't read much do you? I never once told people to do anything. I suggested something, and brought up an issue I thought was interesting, to everyone's attention.

    Yeah, 'cause I'm such a damn bad person. What's the matter with you?
     
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  10. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #30
    My comments added in red
     
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  11. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Something has the right to be defended. All I am doing is keeping and open mind and making sure that narrow minded people like you, who haven't even seen the friggin' documentary yet, don't scoff and rubbish something just because you think it's wrong. Please watch the documentary and tell me what you think.

    :p lol
     
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  12. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #32
    Exactly right. This subject pops up every now and then and is swallowed by the gullible ones who do not have any knowledge of U.S. legal history.

    It reminds me of the hysterical chain emails and petitions that go around every now and then advising us that atheist Madelyn Murray O'Hare is once again pushing the FCC to oppose this or that Christian program. And this happens again and again, despite the fact that she has been dead for many years and is not doing this stuff from the grave!

    Folks, this no-legal-tax thread is the same type of bogus info. Forget it.
     
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  13. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #33
    First of all I never said that 9/11 was inside job, I think you are confusing me with someone else.

    Second, I didn't say it is not necessarily correct, I said IT IS NOT CORRECT. Every one can have opinion and interpret laws differently but in our systems (USA, Canada and even UK), the entity that decides what interpretation is correct are the courts. The courts have already decided that this interpretation is wrong and punished people who tried to use it. All the wish, hope and think ended, the minute that court made it's decision. ;)
     
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    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #34
    We've had liberal Supreme Courts. We now have a generally conservative Supreme Court. The tax laws still stand.

    This thread topic is an old one. It comes up again and again all over the internet, and it is totally bogus. I dislike taxes like the next person, but I am under a legal obligation to pay them, much as I would like it to be otherwise.
     
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    demosfen Peon

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    #35
    Income tax is voluntary, or it would be struck down by courts long ago. The Constitution doesn't allow involuntary servitude, direct taxes, and involuntary testimony against self (and a few other things). But once you signed SS application and got a number, you volunteered, contract overwrites Constitution. Voluntary servitude and voluntary testifying against yourself are completely legal. People who refuse SSN never have any problems with IRS, they can't even file 1040 if they wanted to. That's why gobment does all it can to coerse you into getting SSN (no driver license without SSN, no free education, no credit card, etc.) - they only can tax your income under contract, not under common law.
     
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    #36
    Well then what would we do to get this off of our taxes. Because SS is failing and my generation won't even be getting it. I would like to break this contract please tell me the TOC of it and were to un-sign :)
     
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  17. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #37
    That is easy, just work for cash. With all the talks about immigration and deporting illegal immigrants, just move to Texas and you will have plenty of job for cash. :D
     
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    #38
    I bet you would, that's why the gobment wisely didn't include a termination clause in it! There is a way out though, albeit it's not as easy as signing a document. (otherwise SS Administration wouldn't have any clients left) It's called SSN rescission. There is some info here -

    http://www.answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=408151

    I'll try to post more info when I am on the other computer, have to look it up
     
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    #39
    you're right...I totally agree that our tax code is way out of base...it needs to be done away with and something else put in its place...HR 25 anybody?
     
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    #40
    He is probably confusing you with me buddy. But not to worry because it certainly was an inside job.

    Just wait until Iran kicks off, it will make the disaster in Iraq look like a chimps tea party.
     
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