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Discussion in 'Google AdWords' started by Andrew-Scott-Music, Mar 14, 2007.

  1. #1
    Let's talk about our colleague Steve Holdaway over at:

    www.googlemoneypro.com

    He claims to be earning more than $1 miilion per year.
    He probably is.
    Assuming he's honest, what I'm curious about is how he manages to get 300,000 clicks in a month at only $0.08 each.
    Obviously he promotes one of the most popular sites on the net - 38 million impressions.
    Would all those clicks be from one or two keywords, or a whole bunch of different ones?
    And since the site is so popular, how come his clicks are so cheap?
    And why is it that when I try to advertise a site that's only 100th as popular, Google tells me it's a minimum bid of $0.06, which I make. Then when I get no impressions, Google says, O, you didn't make it to the first page. Increase your bid to $0.19, which I do, still no impressions. Then Google says, your bid isn't triggering ads because your bid isn't high enough.
    Has Mr Holdaway got a fabulously secret keyword, or group of keywords?
    Anyone got a theory?
     
    Andrew-Scott-Music, Mar 14, 2007 IP
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    rcj662 Guest

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    Site must have alot of different keywords.
    You pay 16 cents a click but google pays a percent to adsense affiliate. They keep most of the money that is why you pay more than you will ever get paid for same click.

    Clicks so cheap is because alot of sites figured out keywords that they can get cheap. I have seen clicks pay me as low as 1/2 cent a click i usualy block that url after that.

    Most sites doing that are adsense sites that use your site to get hits to thier site. They also are clickbank sites and some other sites that get paid good money for a sale and they pay very little per click.
     
    rcj662, Mar 14, 2007 IP
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    He pays $0.08 because he knows how to optimize, you pay $5 because you don't know, or don't want to optimize. Simple.

    He has thousands of keywords, most of the super affiliates have 10,000+ keywords.
     
    dog_24, Mar 15, 2007 IP
  4. Andrew-Scott-Music

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    It must be the keyword list of thousands, because he says on his sales page that he doesn't use any websites, thus optimization wouldn't apply. Are we talking about optimizing a landing page?
     
    Andrew-Scott-Music, Mar 15, 2007 IP
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    Its very hard to do that without a website now that you cant have the same url for the same search phrase
     
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    Maybe he hasn't updated the web site for a long time, you could do direct linking half a year a go.
     
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    FirespinJay Active Member

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    #7
    Still can... I have seen lots still doing that and workign fine and dandy.

    Cheers
    Jay
     
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    Ey, I didn't say it's impossible, I meant it's harder than it used to be. (=
     
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    #9
    He's lying, that's my theory. :)

    He's just trying to hawk another lame e-book, nothing new here.
     
    checksum, Mar 15, 2007 IP
  10. Andrew-Scott-Music

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    So with a keyword list of thousands, how many ad groups would we need?
    Even dividing the keywords into similar sounding groups of plurals and word reversals still gives a lot of groups that can't be matched with only a few ad headlines.
    The theory says to have the keyword in the ad's first line. The more keywords we have, the less likely it is that one or more ads will match them all.
    At what point does it become impractical to write a new ad for each group.... 10 groups, 20 groups. 50?....

    For example, promoting a photoshop tutorial site.
    Should we make separate groups for each of the following:

    Photoshop
    Photo Shop
    Adobe Photoshop
    Adobe Photo Shop
    Photoshop 7
    Photo Shop 7
    Adobe Photoshop 7
    Adobe Photo Shop 7
    Photoshop 8
    Photo Shop 8
    Adobe Photoshop 8
    Adobe Photo Shop 8
    Photoshop CS
    Photo Shop CS
    Adobe Photoshop CS
    Adobe Photo Shop CS
    Photoshop CS2
    Photo Shop CS2
    Adobe Photoshop CS2
    Adobe Photo Shop CS2


    There are 20 keyords already that could require separate groups, if we are to incorporate the product's name in the headline. And that's before we even start to add verbs.
    Eg.
    Learn Photoshop
    Learn Photo Shop
    Learn Adobe Photoshop
    Learn Adobe Photo Shop
    Learn Photoshop 7
    Learn Photo Shop 7
    Learn Adobe Photoshop 7
    Learn Adobe Photo Shop 7
    Learn Photoshop 8
    Learn Photo Shop 8
    Learn Adobe Photoshop 8
    Learn Adobe Photo Shop 8
    Learn Photoshop CS
    Learn Photo Shop CS
    Learn Adobe Photoshop CS
    Learn Adobe Photo Shop CS
    Learn Photoshop CS2
    Learn Photo Shop CS2
    Learn Adobe Photoshop CS2
    Learn Adobe Photo Shop CS2

    By the time we substitute other verbs like study, teach yourself, understand etc, etc, we have easily 20 x Y adgroups, each containing 20 or so variations of something like "learn Photoshop at Home" where Y is the number of verbs or other descriptors that our creative intelligence comes up with.
    How closely does the headline need to match the group heading?
    EG, could we use the same headline
    "Learn Photoshop at home"
    to match all the following keywords:
    Learn Photoshop at home
    Study Photoshop at home
    Learn Photo Shop at home
    Learn Photoshop CS2 at home

    Let's hear your views on this technique.
     
    Andrew-Scott-Music, Mar 15, 2007 IP
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    checksum Notable Member

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    #11
    I'll take my post from your other thread on this same subject.

    "He's lying, that's my theory. :)

    He's just trying to hawk another lame e-book, nothing new here."
     
    checksum, Mar 15, 2007 IP
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    Bull, I can say that Bill Gates is lying, he's just trying to sell some lame OS.
     
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    Right, right, ofcourse. :rolleyes:
     
    checksum, Mar 15, 2007 IP
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    #14
    I can't imagine how he's consistently getting $.08 clicks across the board. What seems more likely is he was able to a few years back (so was I, but it didn't last) and hasn't bothered to change his tune since then. Or maybe he meant to type $.80 clicks and didn't catch the typo :)
     
    Arclight, Mar 16, 2007 IP
  15. Andrew-Scott-Music

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    I don't think it was a typo of $0.80 vs $0.08 because he shows a screenshot from Adwords.
    The screenshot doesn't have a date though, so it may be a few years old.
     
    Andrew-Scott-Music, Mar 16, 2007 IP
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    Yes that looks like a bit far fetched. It all comes down to a great website and generating traffic. His ebook I bet you there will be 5 days of reading and a whole lot of technical information that just the ordinary person won't get.

    I like the new Video Ebooks! Theres just a better feel about them. I can rewind it anytime and have a voice talk to me plus you pay way more attention to whats going on, not like the text ebooks. Try these sorts of ebooks as they WILL improve website traffic!

    7 ways to build website traffic
    / Maximize you Adsense Commissions!
     
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    one more fellow trying to sell his ebook and make some momey
     
    sachy24, Mar 16, 2007 IP
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    Would have to agree. Getting consistent 0.08 clicks is damn near impossible.

    James
     
    jim0504, Mar 17, 2007 IP
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    If I was to believe all those online guru's that I see online now a days then I would have be insane.
     
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    I'm not sure about this. Sounds too good to be true. Maybe he is not telling the truth!
     
    SallyDP, Mar 17, 2007 IP