Its not his actions...its the actions of the terrorists that are keeping us there...if they didn't kill their own, then we wouldn't be there, we would have been out of there years ago...when we removed saddam it was actually a pretty peaceful region, the iraq army surrendered very easily...then all the terrorists from syria and iran showed up. Now we have been there for a lot longer than we planned...however, we will not give up the region to the terrorists.
Psst...You may need to do some homework. The USofA put Mr. Saddam into power in Iraq........ Also we may want to start and worry about our own murder per capita rate, which is one of the highest in the world. Well above Iran, Syria or Iraq.
Are you giving someone elses credit away to Bush? Seems to me that it's muslims killing other muslims in Iraq daily. Every day. Killing innocent women and children like this, in the name of allah (isn't this what allah wants?). But you didn't have word about those terrorists who are doing the actual daily killing? Do they get a pass, because they are muslims and that is what they are supposed to do?
I'm not talking about saddam being in power 20 years ago...I'm talking about right after we removed Saddam, before all your buds from syria and iran showed up....I think you are the one that needs to do the homework...you never post a relevant response to anything.
Funny how when lorien1973 posted a reply to this post, and discussed every single statement apart from the one in bold, was it just convienently forgotten , nobody else discussed it either.... wonder why?....
because A) its not really that relevant, or B) there is no actual way to prove it...I could say that I have a friend that was forced to convert to Islam and bear children for her husband only after having been forced to walk around covered in black from head to toe....however, without proof, it doesn't stand up...I could change Islam to Christianity in that last statement, and again, without proof, it doesn't hold...sorry, that was a dumb response and question to ask...
Credit of every single civilian murder goes to Bush. None of these daily bombings were happening if he have not taken that stupid decision of removing sadam from power. I'm sure they could have found other ways to control him, like they did for many years before 1st Gulf War. Those assholes who are doing bombings in Iraq are not muslims, they have nothing to do with Islam. Its all about the political power in the region. Isn't that the reason USA is there in first place? And in Korea, Japan, Germany, Guantanmu and many other regions of the world where their military basis shouldn't be?
do you have a proof for this? If you are in USA, I can give you her contact information (but after her permission) you can contact her directly if you want.
They didn't control saddam before the 1st gulf war...if the US did, don't you think that the 1st gulf war wouldn't have happened? We were looking out for Kuwait on that one...so removing a dictator who tortured men, women, and children, and used WMD's against the kurds was a bad thing? We really can see where your loyalty lies, DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!! btw, if we leave, do you think the bombings will really stop? Do you think the terrorists will stop, or will they keep going until they control all of Iraq?? Who will be to blame then? Oh thats right, you are a young angry male who is against the USA, its all Bush's fault!!! So these guys are not muslims giving praise to God as they execute other muslims? They are shouting "Allahu Akbar!", which is a common islamic phrase, right?? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070303/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_execution_video_1 And no, political power is not the reason that the USA is there...which shows your ignorance of the whole situation and why we can't take you seriously...you have no idea what anything is really about, only what you have been told to believe by those who hate the USA. if you had read my post you would know I was making it up, its a metaphor.... sure, post it on here, I'm sure several of us will give her a call... (next up: wmghori posts that she didn't give him permission to post her number...)
He was doing that all way before 1st gulf war. Why US was supplying weapons to him then at first place, surely US was fully aware of what he is using those weapons for. Top US personals were meeting with him secretly and openly for very long time, way before 90s. Why? No it won't stop now. This should have been tought out before taking any actions. Apparently they were thinking that just remove sadam and everything will be fine. You break a bee hive and want the bees to be quite about it? Do you live in fantacy land? What if I released a video of men beheading and just change the Allah-u-Akbar sound to hallaluya or what every christian or jew or hindu or what sound they make before fighting etc. They think of theirselves as muslim but they are not. Ohh sorry for my ignorance. Can you refresh my memory why exactly is USA in these regions? What it is doing in Korea? What it was doing in Vietnam? What it is doing in Cuba? What it is still doing after 60 years WWII in Germany? Why it has bases in middle east long before 1st Gulf War? If its not the game of Power them why the hell US forces doing outside US borders?
yes, we were his ally at one point, in the early 80's...then saddam got greedy and wanted what he didn't have...allies sometimes turn their back on you...look at WWI and WWII, some allies in WW1 became enemies in WW2, and vice versa... so you're saying that future bombings would still happen if the US left? Then whos fault is it, will it still be Bush's? or will it be the faults of those that are bombing? How can it be bush's fault if the US is not there? Oh wait, you blame everything on bush, nevermind. I think I am a Christian, does that mean that I am not?? you think you are a muslim, so I guess that means you are not, right?? poor logic there buddy... No problem, we know you are, you don't have to apologize... USA does have bases all over the world, and what I will remind you is that most of those countries also allow the USA to be there...but we could say the same things about other countries...what are syrian and iranian fighters doing in Iraq? What are the taliban doing in pakistan? Why did the taliban and bin laden decide to attack the USA on USA soil? Shouldn't they just stay inside their own borders?? Unlike them, the USA does not want the power...instead they want the Power the USA has...they are jealous that we live in a world where we don't have to rely on camels for travel...they are jealous because we have a free society, and they dont(nevermind Islam keeps them from having this)...they want the power that the USA does not have, which is the power of God...and they will not stop until they kill as many people as possible to try and get this power.
why provide them opportunity to do that in first place? The person who allow them to do that in first place is responsible. you failed to understand the logic. You think you are good christian but what your peers or community members think about you then? While being a christian you do drugs, kill, rape, robbery etc. what they will think about you? surely they will think that you are not a christian (good or bad aside), a christian can't do those kind of bad things. now thats ignorance. What you gonna do If i came to your house as guest for one week and after 10 years I won't leave your house, ask you to pay me for having me there. And law can't help you about this. You can't goto police or court for that. You can't force me out because i'm way stronger than you. What you gonna do then?
oh ok...so thats how this works...so we should stay until all the terrorists are killed then, according to you, since we shouldn't allow them to continue the bombings? right? I know plenty of Christians that do drugs, I know plenty of Muslims, Sikhs, and hindu's that do that as well...I know they drink, swear, have sex outside of marraige, and the list goes on. Its called sin, and everyone does it. No one is perfect. However, that doesn't exclude them from believing in their religion of choice, no more than this makes the terrorists not muslim. Sorry to break this to you kid, but they are muslim, they claim to be muslim, and the world excepts them as muslim. All they have to do is ask us to leave...If the US doesn't own the land, then we have to leave...but for example, in Cuba, we own the land, most of those deals were struck a long time ago, some over 50 years ago...that is not something that we can change, because the US will not resell the land back.
What if I came to your town and destroy every law enforcement agency that control the city and all hell break lose because of my that action. People start to kill each other robbing each other because their is no law enforcement agency in town working. Who will get the blame for that? So that make all of the christianity or Sikhism or Hinduism or Islam bad? or just those individuals? Why you if a christian or a chritian group do a bad thing its just an indvidiual or that group act, but when that same crime or sin committed by a muslim or a group of muslims all Islam became bad? why the double standards? Many are asking them to leave but they are not listing that. Saudia Arabia have asked many times for US forces to leave but did they leave, I don't think so. Japnesse are protesting against US presense in their country and have asked many time to leave but did US listen to that? Why you think people hate US?
So you have no problem with terrorists blowing shit up and killing others, as long as the US isn't trying to stop it. If the US tries to stop it, then you have a problem with it? Pretty much sums it up. They very much are muslim. Of course, it's convenient for you to say they are not, but they are. The world sees the example islam is setting. Wherever the quran goes, blood flows. These virgin seeking thugs are killing Iraqis in droves and people like you want them to win so they can kill even more. It's too bad some here are so shallow to see that. They don't care about Iraq, Iraqis, Soldiers or anything else. They just want to see the worst islam has to offer, take over and continue to treat Iraqis the way they are now. As for our presence in other parts of the world, if islam were really a religion of peace, we wouldn't have to be there, at the request of their governments. Those countries could spend their own money on their own militaries or just wait for Eurabia. It's on it's way.