the right to life or the right to bare arms? 37,000 children die in in the usa.

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  1. checksum

    checksum Notable Member

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    #21
    533 children who were left unattended in their parent's vehicles died in 1999. (source: cdc.gov) Meaning, there were more accidental deaths in 1999 resulting from vehicles than there were guns. Using your logic we should make it illegal to drive.

    Hey, what do you need cars for? Getting places faster? You should ride a bike instead.

    :rolleyes:
     
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  2. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #22
    The thing that people like you always fail to understand is that someone is going to have the guns. Do you think gang members, mafia organizations, and criminals are going to abide by gun confiscation laws? No, they won't.

    The only people who will follow the laws are law abiding citizens, and crime will increase. I can tell that you haven't done you homework on this subject. Washington DC is one of the most dangerous cities in the United States.

    It has more murders than any other city in this country. Guess what? The citizens ARE NOT allowed to carry guns. In places like Texas, crime is low in comparison, because most people keep a shotgun in their homes.

    Criminals aren't stupid, they go to places where people don't carry guns, because it is easy to rob, murder, or rape them. An armed population is a safe and free population.

    The UK has turned into a blatant police state. I hear London has thousands and thousands of cameras. Your own government is your worst enemy.

    And as for that comment about my 38 not being able to stop my government, I may not be able to by myself, but 40 million Americans with guns can be a serious problem. The right to carry guns is one of the main reasons why the U.S. has remained free for so long. Guns are an insurance policy against the government, which historically, has always been corrupt.

    I can tell that you don't spend too much time studying history, but hey, who does anymore? Anyone who has read a few history books knows that governments are always corrupt, and an armed population is an insurance policy against abuses of power.

    If you want to know what it is likely when only the criminals and police have guns, take a trip to Columbia, Brazil, or Mexico. Over there, everyone know that if you are the victim of a crime, calling the cops may get you in deeper trouble, because the governments are corrupt.

    As I said in my previous post, it is sad to see that so many children die from gun accidents. But that is because of the parents, not the guns. The parents should be thrown in jail or prison. Why should a responsible family have to turn in their guns because a few morons are irresponsible?

    Listen to what you saying. Right now, there is a movement to ban certain breeds of dogs in the U.S and UK. Because a few irresponsible morons like to fight their dogs and have them attack others, the government wants to BAN all these dogs. Why should honest dog owners have to get rid of their dogs because of a few irresponsible idiots.

    Government is the problem, not the solution. They always pick dumb solutions. They ban certain dog breeds, or they restrict guns. Can't you see that the government is taking away your freedom? If someone is trying to kill or rape you, and the police are no where to be found(which is most often the case) you're going to wish to God you had a gun to protect yourself!

    By the time the cops arrive, more often than not, it is too late!


    Here are some more historical facts which go against your argument:

    1. When Africans were brought over to the United States as slaves, they were banned from carrying firearms.

    2. In ancient Rome, slaves were barred from carrying swords.

    3. Washington DC has the highest murder rate in the U.S., despite the fact that guns are banned.

    4. After Hurricane Katrina, the government in New Orleans restricted firearms. Gang members and hoodlums immediately went around beating people up and raping women. The police were powerless to do anything.

    5. Hitler immediately confiscated guns in Germany just after becoming dictator.

    6. In Mexico, citizens are not allowed to carry guns. I don't think I need to explain the police corruption in Mexico. This should be self explanatory.

    7. The Second Amendment was put in the U.S. Constitution for a reason. The founding fathers new that a strong centralized government could become tyrants, and guns were an insurance policy.

    8. Mafia organizations have a powerful stronghold in the northern areas of the United States, where guns are more restricted. Historically, organized crime has never been able to gain a strong foothold in southern states, due to the population being heavily armed.


    As you can see, your arguments have no merit. When a man or woman are not allowed to protect themselves, they are essentially slaves. Every time guns are restricted, crimes increase. Throughout history, slaves were not allowed to carry guns, and this was so they would not be a threat to their masters. Dictators like Hitler also confiscated guns, because this made it easier to control the population. Dictators in the past and present continue to practice this policy.

    The most dangerous cities in the United States are those in which guns are banned. As I said, criminals WILL NOT follow the laws, because they are criminals. San Francisco recently banned guns, and just watch the crime rate increase over the next five years.
     
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  3. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #23
    samantha pia, I challenge you and anyone else who believes guns should be banned to give me a good reason for why Washington DC is the most dangerous city in the United States, even though guns are banned? I will give rep to anyone who gives me five good reasons.

    I mean, guns are banned, so why do so many people in DC keep getting killed? It is a logical question. If you are right, Washington DC should have the lowest crime rate, right? But it doesn't.
     
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  4. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #24
    here is the one and only reason, guns are banned from being carried, not banned to own of keep them, so the guns are still there to be used, remove the guns, let the cops clean up the thugs and take them and there guns off the streets and the usa will be safer, you put 4,000,000 new guns a year into circulation in the usa, when is it enough? it's time to dispose of your guns not your children.
     
    samantha pia, Mar 5, 2007 IP
  5. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #25
    In Washington DC, you are not allowed to have a gun at all. Like San Francisco, they are banned in the city altogether. The fact that the city still has the highest crime rate in the U.S. tells me that the police can do little to curb it.

    A number of studies have shown that most police won't arrive on the scene until after the incident has occured. This basically means that you will likely be dead or victimized by the time they get there. If people are allowed to legally carry guns, the criminals would be more afraid, since they would have to contend with citizens that are likely armed.

    I don't know about where you live, but police here are corrupt. I would rather have a gun to protect myself than rely on cops that arrive to late to stop me from being harmed. Gun cabinets and locks are designed to keep the weapons outside the reach of children, and this is where they should be stored at all times. If the child gets a hold of the gun and accidently shoots themselves, the owners of the gun should be held liable.
     
    tesla, Mar 5, 2007 IP
  6. gimilin

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    #26
    More children are dead thoughout the world.
     
    gimilin, Mar 9, 2007 IP
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    #27
    The gun ban in DC was overturned in the past 1-2 days.

    Did you know that states and countries with gun bans typically have higher crime and gun death rates? DC was a good example - criminals will always have guns, and knowing law-abiding citizens cannot defend themselves make it easy to commit crimes.

    In the UK crime has gotten so bad that criminals will enter a persons home in broad daylight, with a gun, and rob or kill them. They know that homeowners cannot defend themselves.

    Gun owners prevent something like 2.2 MILLION acts of crime per year. 37,000 versus 2.2 million?

    People with CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) licenses are typically among the most law abiding in regards to gun use/abuse.

    The anti-gun paranoia is just that - in my research I have found that trying to outlaw guns is not based on fact, just fear. :(

    I was never a gun owner, until some guy threatened to kill me - in a very real way. Knowing that some whack-job could come to my house at any time and try to hurt me or my family scared me. When I talked to the police (and got a warrant for his arrest) they told me "In all honesty, it's not our job to protect you. You have to protect yourself." So my wife and I bought some shotguns, learned how to use them, and were surprised to find that we are very comfortable having the ability to protect ourselves.

    I hope no one has to go through what we went through, but if you do ... you may change your mind.
     
    OneWebAve, Mar 10, 2007 IP
  8. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #28
    they didnt use the gun on you though, right? but rest assured, next time they come with a gun and you of your wife reach for a gun, they will use it, and chances are they wont want to leave any witnesses. you put yourself and your wife and kids at more risk now, then you did before
     
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    #29
    You are just a cry babie liberal. The right to bare arms is the right to bare arms people die everyday that's called the cold hard reality. Deal with it. If it wasn't guns it would be something else. Killing someone is not something you just do.It something that happens how many children die in the leaf shreddar each year? You didn't tell us that one...
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #30
    Chill Stealer, she doesn't even live in the USA, so she can't change anything for you.

    Samantha, I understand your view, but I have to say I disagree with the reasoning. Personally, I don't own a gun, but am not about to give up the right because of what it does to limit gov't. If I need to I could still go and get guns if needed.

    I have 6 kids, and personally would be worried to have guns in the house. I know that I would be ultra safe if I did. I would also make sure each child had some understanding equal to their ages. The older would have to go and target practice with me.
     
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  11. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #31
    Should we also ban alcohol, cars, butter, cheese, and all the other causes of death. Or just the one you chose?

    How many deaths due to drunk driving worldwide? Why are you not up in arms about that? (yes, I intended the pun)
     
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    #32
    Guns are for pussies. Give them all samurai swords and let them fight to the death!

    Seriously though, I think instead of banning guns, we should institute a license to breed. Would solve a lot more problems...
     
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    #33
    Pushing for eugenics huh? Oh don't worry, there are plenty of people in the U.S. government that believe along the same lines, and they are doing something about it. Unfortunately, people like you and I may be the target........

    But seriously, I believe in the right to bear arms. When you lose your guns rights, you lose your freedom. Its that simple.
     
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    #34
    I am always amazed at how non-American countries will criticize America...until it's time for them to cash our generous foreign-aid checks. Then you don't hear them bitching and moaning about America. :p

    Jim
     
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    #35
    What about making it the law that you have to be educated on child safety locks and purchase one with every gun purchase?
     
    frosty, Mar 31, 2007 IP