I've noticed that lately it's is nearly impossible to find a decent PHP programmer, or a company that can actually pay attention to details and deliver on a timely manner.. just wanted to share my frustration Any recommendations from personal experience?
Trying to find a reliable developer is getting harder!! My advice is use sites like elance, scriptlance, other lance and once you find a good program hold on to him!!!! Also on those sites if you have a large project, don't always go for the cheapest option, you are likely to end up wasting a lot of time as they don't read the spec, post ridiculously cheap amount and when you pick them and they read the spec further they find it isn't viable. For smaller projects your more likely to get something done by a cheap bidder.
It depends what are your requirements and what do you want to make? I have good experience with a php programmer from scriptlance.
Please don't mind members .. Not only freelancers are responsible for such kinda situations ... there are lot of buyers whose demands and specifications go on changing everyday and finally programmers end up at no where. So i will suggest before starting a project development a buyer should contact a Technical Editor /Writer or a good system analyst to note down your requirements.. there are situations where buyers want "WORLD" in $XX .... when a programmer reaches to get to WORLD they want UNIVERSE ... and feels a part of SUN or MOON will be good... and rarely they are eager to pay some extra .... There are issues with freelancers also they are not updating clients don't bother too much to clear the issues in time, and fears a lot to loose an order and go on accepting all the demands from clients ... So both communities need to get mature .... I am not being harsh with either developers or buyers but these are the situations ... and cause of mess
Dear members please note i am NOT doing a marketing :Just missed to add few stuff in above post: But if someone need a project manager for web projects they can contact me. I can be a bridge between a client and Team of developers... honestly i will be doing this kinda work over the internet first time ( though I am used to do it manage my company projects) ... You can PM me for requirements and if needed i can send a copy of some documents so that you can understand my skills and abilities
I am a php programmer myself and most of the projects I have taken were like: "Do whatever you want to do" means they just needed the site. EX: cars. So I can make it a cars classifieds or an informational site for cars etc. And this never creates any problem as I am given a free hand.
As a PHP programmer, I gave up on freelance sites a long time ago. To get the work, you need to either have a lot of good feedback or make ridiculously low bids.. working as an individual rather than a company, it takes ages to build up your feedback so you're forced to work for peanuts. Even then you tend to only get picked by buyers consistently choosing the lowest bid so unless you're starting a project from scratch, you end up having to fight your way through the crappy cheap code already in place and it takes twice as long.
I am also a PHP programmer, and have had several clients that were extremely picky with requirements. Around 25 revisions are nothing new for me There are good programmers that charge little, like me. I'm 17 years old, so $500 a month is more than enough for me
Ive wanted to hire out many times but Ive spent a lot of time editing the PHP programers code myself and foundits pointless, I may as well just do it first time round. I find if they arent the ones who its for alot of attention to detail is lost. No validation, lots of bugs. And zero testing. Testing IS part of programming even if nothing happens from it and should be included in the project.
Often the testing is not monetized, so I won't test often as it costs a hell of a lot of time. If you pay me to test, of course I will
I rarely accept larger jobs from people I don't know for multiple reasons, but mainly because people expect a lot for a little ($$). I suppose the term "You get what you pay for" hits the nail on the head.
Wow. Just wow. So what you're saying is that someone is paying you for code, whether it works or not? If the testing is 'not monetized' (which I assume you mean 'billed for') that's your own damn fault. YOU should be building testing in to your total quoted price in the first place! That attitude is just disgusting: it's almost as if you would rather lowball some other decent developer who will actually test their code than raise your price and possibly lose a job. The funny thing is that, in the long run, you're probably screwing yourself. There's a reason I can charge $75 / hour as a 'base' rate: it's because my clients know that when they get a product, it will work. While you probably end up getting very few repeat clients because of 'untested' work, I have them lining up!
Well said TwistMyArm. A client is paying for the script to do certain tasks in an efficient and secure manner, not for you to practise your PHP development. If you haven't tested that it functions as it should then you don't know whether or not you've done the work you were paid for.
No of course not, dude relax! Just relax before you start flaming people. By testing I mean excessive testing until ALL bugs are worked out. Of course I deliver working code, what were you THINKING! I usually do it this way: - I code everything, test for normal use - Client can test how much he/she likes - When found a bug, I will revise the code and work it out And before you start flaming people again, please think again. Sorry for the misleading post, but you could asked it more pollite
The ultimate reason behind your frustration is the increasing number of non-quality service providers who do not hold a professional degree in programming and enough education of English, working for 4-5 USD per hour. Yes this is always free market and there needs to be competition but not this type. While, one works in high quality and delivers top notch software, others just do careless developments, buyers look for the price and expect you to be same or cheaper. This directs you to lower your prices, so lowers your hours accordingly. I do not want to flame people who learned programming at home by themselves, that is slightly possible, but i am looking at the freelance market sites we try to get into bidding, most people are far from being professional. This can be seen at first sight but i can see they win some bids. This is ridicilous.