Do you take the Bible as a factual book and the ultimate word of God?

No... KJ or not, Joseph Smith went back to FIX the errors in it, thus making what he fixed correct.

What the heck are you talking about? "New scrolls"? Rev 20:11-15 says:

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Talks about the judgment day...

Anyway...

You're missing the point... we DO have the corrected version (for the most part) - when Joseph Smith went back to go fix the errors in the Bible. Through revelation and the inspiration of God, he corrected the man-made errors.

There's so much more than the Bible, Col. There's SO much more... yet people still reject it I never understood that...

 

Let's discuss in the world of crazies. How do you know that Joseph Smith was not Satan that decided to change the God's word to fit his own desire?

 

I think we need to find a mormon to ask that question...

 

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At your service!

Because he saw God and Jesus Christ and restored the true gospel on the Earth for our day... *and* he translated the Book of Mormon for us today, too. 'Nuff said.

 

Wheres GTech and his 'stop playing the translation card' post? Anything about the Quran and someone says its incorrectly translated he accuses them of playing the translation card, well lets see what will happen here?

Does the bible have to be translated correctly to be quoted in a post but the Quran doesn't?

 

Agree with the poster that the verses have to be read in the correct context to get the true meaning.

BUT......


Would GTech do that when quoting something from the Quran? Probably not, and when someone calls him up on it he accuses them of playing some other cards.

 

Rewritten. Free of charge. Makes better sense.

 

Is God really going to be happy with you GTech? why aren't you loving thy neighbour !!

 

I always quote straight from the source, complete with references to multiple translations, to prevent the "translation card" excuse.

Here are some nice "in context" quotes from the quran.

 

When my neighbor seeks to smite me about my neck for being a dirty kuffar, I'm typically not in a "loving" mood

 

As I have said before rea the verses in the correct context- i.e. read the verses before and after- So no your quotes are not 'in context'

Example:
"slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191)-OUT OF CONTEXT!

Real verse
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors.And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression"


I'd say that was snipped quite a bit out of context- wouldn't you?

 

KUFFAR?!?!- Do you know what that means...


Looks like you better move house then.
But surely there should be no exception- God commanded- You obey. No exception

 

Did you see the God and Jesus? How do you know he did not lie and in reality he is Satan that is changing the God's word? Are you saying that Satan doesn't lie?

What makes his opinion better than others like John, Paul,....? If they misunderstood the words of God, why are you sure that someone else who lived 2000 years after that time, didn't misinterpret the words? Unless you claim Joseph Smith is God, his version is only his opinion about what God is trying to say, don't you think so?

If I claim that I have seen God and Jesus and I am the new prophet, can you prove that I am not?

 

Incorrect example. I've not used such an example and the full text are well within the verses I linked to. To suggest the example above is misleading in the argument presented.

Nope, as I did not offer the snipped quote as suggested. The verses I did link to are full verses in multiple translations and there is no question about what their context means.

 

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New books. New scrolls. Same thing.

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He re-wrote the book huh? Hmmm. Moses clearly wrote what God had said "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live" in Genesis 33:20. Was this a mistake in the Bible written thousands of years ago? Now we can see why Joseph needed to re-write it. Did he do this so he could tell people he saw God?

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No. But i know that he is not lying because the Spirit has testified to me the truthfulness of the gospel. There is also a contrast here which I haven't mentioned yet: just moments before God and Jesus appeared to Joseph, Joseph was surrounded with a dark spirit/feeling that nearly haunted him for that short amount of time. When God and Jesus descended, the black rushed away and left his presence.

When did I say this? You're putting words in my mouth again gworld It's not opinion, and it's not greater than John or Paul as long as we have what they actually wrote, said, or did, not what men through the centuries WANTED them to do and changed it.

Because they're written exactly as God wants it to be. Nothing happens on accident, and God does not choose prophets and disciples that mislead his people unless it is his will, which is generally very, very rare.

Nope.

What does YOUR translation of the Bible say? These books are the book of life; our actions/sins/etc are documented and recorded so at the judgment day we are judged according to our works, deeds, thoughts, prayers, actions, sins, etc.

No, he translated it.

Before being able to see God or Jesus Christ in our mortal form, we must be transfigured into a (temporary) celestial form to be able to withstand his presence. This happened to Moses and Joseph Smith, for example.

Yet, as I look up Genesis 33:20, I see something completely different. Are you sure the reference is right: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/33

I'll say again: he did NOT rewrite it... just translated it to its correct form. In our version of the scriptures, we have the KJ version as-is, but corrected translations appear in footnotes. It is important to reference these sometimes as often important distinctions are found.

He need not convince people he saw God... he lets the spirit do that as long as the person who wants to know REALLY wants to know and has an open heart and a contrite spirit about him/her.

 

And I saw a great white throne and the one seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha′des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.

Scrolls opened and another scroll. The scrolls that were opened would be pointing to new instructions at this point in time. These verses are talking about the resurrection. This is the near future and Jesus opens scrolls. Therefore, these scrolls are new. Otherwise, it would most likely read "it is written".

Where in the Bible does it say Moses was transfigured?

That should have been Ex 33:20.. Sorry.

Did you read my prior posts about the KJ version and the Emphatic Diaglott?

I respect your opinion but I just can not see it. There's too many discrepancies about this man.

 

Strange, that is exactly what happened to me when I became a prophet. I am surprised that your Spirit hasn't told you this. Please ask your Spirit to check his email, if he hasn't got it yet, I will ask God to email your Spirit again.

So God first wishes that man should change his words, so he can send Joseph Smith to correct that. Do you see the contradiction?

 

This is my boundary... I don't want to debate this issue anymore past this point... these things are too sacred to me to be disputed over.