It is not a belief system of a cult member at all. It is very clear about this in the Bible. And YES it means I will not be going to heaven. The Bible does not say there is a hell either so where does this leave me? On earth maybe? Your belief shows, out of all the population on this earth, when Judgment Day comes, people will either be cast to Hell or taken up to heaven. What happens to the Earth then? Does it simply just vanish into thin air or become a waste land? What does the Bible say about this? Well, there are so many verses about this very thing I could not possibly number them. But here are some to read: Ps 78:69 Ps 104:5 Ps 119:90 Ecc 1:4 Ps 37:11 Ps 115:16 Isa 45:18 2 Pet 3:13 Rev 21:1 Col
I apologise for assuming and hope all goes well for you. As far as 'shitting in my hat' I am not sure what you mean. Is that an American thing?
LOL!!! Apology greatly accepted. As for "shitting in your hat." Yes, it is an Amercian expression I guess, lol!!! It's not unlike sticking ones foot in ones mouth, - which, incidentally, I am wont to do Oh, and you're right, you guessed it, I am but self-educated. Like I said before I got through one period of time and then I had to go to work - period. Unfortunately for you and my boss, that age for me was the "Classical Roman." Could have been worse, even for me - could have been the Victorian.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. It will be just like it was in the Garden of Eden. Heaven and Earth will be one and the same. Hell sounds to be a holding pen for the wicked. Those that rejected Christ will be judged according to all their works good and bad where those who accepted Christ will be forgiven of all their sins so only their good works will be judged. Death and hell will then be tossed into the lake of fire. Whatever that means. Some would argue that the second death is complete destruction. Atheists claim that when you die you just cease to exist. Maybe they're right. Those who reject Christ will go to hell and then on judgement day be totally destroyed and will no longer exist. Does hell exist? Obviously. What is hell? That's debatable I suppose. People assume that hell and the lake of fire are one and the same but I think it'll take a little more study to determine that. Either way, hell is not where you want to end up when you die. Well maybe only the unholy trinity will suffer forever but the wicked will join them and die a second time.
Kalvin, I think hell is eternal, and like you said: "whatever that means." But whatever it does mean it can't be good. It can only be bad. Well, I ain't volunteering.
I think from my quick study that it makes sense that hell is a holding pen and the lake of fire is a seperate thing that is reserved for judgement day. I'd wager that this is where the idea of purgatory comes from. The mistake is thinking that you can get out of hell. When Lazarus died he could see the rich man in hell but there was a great divide. So perhaps heaven is holding pen for the righteous and hell is the holding pen for the wicked. On judgement day those in hell are destroyed and those in heaven join God in the new heaven and new earth. There's no bridge between the two. It's also interesting that heaven and earth 2.0 will come out but there's no talk of hell 2.0.
I don't recall the Bible saying there were fruit trees in heaven or serpents for that matter. Churches teach Hell exists. However, the greek word for Hell (used by churches) is Gehenna. Gehenna was a lake of fire outside the city for incineration of dead animals, dead people and the like. The people kept pouring tar and sulphur on to keep it burning to completely extinguish any remains. Now, Revelation uses that word to symbolise complete destruction. Think about this. If anyone was put into a lake of fire they would not be alive for long would they. See above See above The Bible talks about two types of death. The death that we end up in Hades (the grave) and the Second Death (the lake of fire). The two Greek words that make this distinction is She-ol or Hades for Death #1 and Gehenna for death #2. Do some research on this and also check my facts in the Emphatic Diaglott or the The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Col
Humans are social creatures. Our free will is always restrained by 'social will', which is regional in nature. And then we have the laws of physics and such (universal factors) to deal with. Once our choices are filtered by these, we are 'free to choose' !
The Bible doesn't say much about what is in heaven. All I know is that there will be a new heaven and a new earth whatever that means. Why couldn't there be trees in heaven? Are all snakes wicked just because the devil showed himself as one? You can't assume just because something is a parable or symbolic that it isn't also literally true.
The only thing the Bible says about heaven is that it is a spiritual place. Hence, invisible to the human eyes. As far as Eden goes, Genesis talked a whole lot about that and what was there on Earth. It says there was an expanse between heaven and Earth. Therefore, because of what was written about the Earth in Genesis and in other places in the Bible, and that the garden of Eden was located on the Earth, that makes a clear distinction between the two. Would you agree? Col
Perhaps the first Eden was seperate from heaven although they did walk with God so perhaps heaven was there with them. I don't see the second pair necessarily being distinct.
yes we have free will, choices are being made daily and consequences can be blessings or having to deal with the results of our own actions.
Because the Bible states that the wicked will be resurrected as well as the righteous that means that everyone gets their body back rejoined with their spirit. Death is defined as seperation of body and soul. I don't see a reason to believe that the second death is anything more than just once again losing your body. Hell may be the grave for the body but the soul also goes to hell. Since body and soul are seperated at death then hell for the soul must be different than hell for the body. ------ Deteminism just deals with our choices being limited and the idea that ultimately there is only one choice we will ever make given the circumstances. If you were to go back to the exact moment in time again with no recollection of what happened the first time you made the choice, you'd make the same choice again.
That verse is talking about the dead being resurrected back to life on earth. Just as Jesus resurrected Lazarus. The resurrecting of the righteous and the wicked just means that those who have died before Armageddon (the time where those who do not recognise God will be put to the second death) will have an opportunity to prove themselves in the new system of things and without Satan (because he will be abyssed for1,000 years). The ones who survive Armageddon will be deemed the righteous ones. therefore, they will have a resurrection of life. The new life in the new system of things. Not according to Ecclesiastes 9:4-6. The soul is our lifeblood and nothing more than that. Genesis 9:4 makes that very clear. Without blood our soul is nothing. Col
Hi kalvin....I understand a new heaven and a new earth to be symbolic. I see that the material things that Jehovah created were created perfect. Mankind has been responsible for the near destruction of such things. I have faith in Jehovah that he will not allow the complete destruction of our home but will rid the earth of those that have no interest in preserving it. I must admit though that it will probably seem like a different place when it finally gets back to its perfection. Imagine this !! Isaiah 11:6-9 6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling [a] together; and a little child will lead them. 7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. 9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
i never had a choice to charge or not, he got life with a minimum of 20 years. and i wouldnt try and control your daughters life to much, that was my moms biggest mistake. i just resented her all the time. and i think if i was more streetwise, then it might not have happend, i knew nothing about sex at that time, and didnt even know what he was going to do to me, i just though i was being beaten because i did something wrong. i was begging him not to hit me anymore "i'll be a good girl, please dont hit me anymore" them words still ring in my head today. i am very happy with who i am, i am angry because i was a victim of a guy, and there are a lot of other victims out there and more that dont even know they are to be a victim yet, that saddens me the most. i wish you luck with your health, that also saddens me, there is a huge advance in treating it now, and maybe to prevent it too. if you look at my site you'll see that that is what i did, and for 3 years i was a sexual health advisor to 800,000 students in the usa. i survived and i am over the most of it, the talking to people about it help me a lot, telling other girls what happend as part of my sexual health advice was what got me over it, thats just in the last 4 years. i cant get over the fear of guys shouting at or near me, that makes me shake and wet myself and then fall to the floor in a nervous shaking heap, waiting to be hit or hurt. that part will take much longer to get over, if at all. no book would help me, and that's that. i had to help myself. it devistated my daddy and it changed things between us, he would never huge me anymore after that, not like he used to, it was a quick hug, nothing like before when i would sit in his arms and feel safe, we didnt talk as we used to, and my mom blamed me,. told me it was gods way to punish me for being a horribal child to her. go figure. see below how it came to happen, it was no-one fault but my own. over protection is just as bad as no protection the way it came to be was when i was allowed to a new years eve party, the 1st time i was allowed out on my own at night. the taxi stopped and i walked up the path to the house were the party was, i was on my own, but a guy followed me up the path and when i went into the house, i told the lady who i was and the guy did the same thing, she told me to go through to the party and her daughter would be around somewhere. well the guy started to talk to me and we talked for hours and we even had a dance, and i thought nothing of it, i was having fun for the 1st time without my mom and daddy around, ok this was there friends party, i didnt know anyone there really, but they invited me, i thought they also invited this guy so they know him, it turned out he was not invited and they thought he was with me, so when i accepted a lift home from him, they thought nothing of us leaving together because they seen us arrive together, on the way home he took a wrong turn and then punched me in the face, then it all happend. my fault because i was not streetwise, moms fault for not allowing me to become streetwise.
Children are terrible because their parents are terrible (not necessarily bad people just bad at being parents). Just watch Super Nanny. Not to say you were actually a terrible child. I don't see being aware of what your child is doing and who they're with as being "controlling." It's only controlling if you force them to do something. Observation and awareness is not control. The break down was people making assumptions about the people around. That's good that you're making positive things come of this. You're going to be fine and countless other girls will be safe.
This whole system of living today is rotten to the core. Values and morals have been destroyed. Respect is rare. Politeness is rare. Courtesy is rare. Even LOVE is rare. It's all changed. So many are hurt daily from disgusting selfish behaviour. The time for change is now present. I know from what I read from the Bible that change is just around the corner. I pray fervently that many will take note what needs doing to survive what is coming. Yet, so many do not take note just as Jesus said they won't. Just as it happened in Noah's day. I remember about 15 years ago telling my friends I did not want to have kids because when I looked around. What sort of place am I bringing them into? It was a horrible place and is even more horrible today. I eventually had kids under heavy persuasion from my former wife. I love them both to bits but it's a hard thing to take when I see them suffer from the hands of many. Samantha's parents must have been completely distraught from what happened to her. It should never happen but unfortunately it does and we hear about this type of thing and worse all over the planet. It's a very sick world. I find it amazing how selfish people are. I talk to people daily about the Bible and about how the new order will make everything good like it should be. So many say to me "I am happy with the way things are". How can people say this knowing all this rape, murder and death is happening everywhere? The answer to that is "selfishness". It's an ugly word but it is the only one that fits. Col
I think a simple rule that would have probably prevented what happened would be "You can only be with people that I can contact." or "You can only be alone with guys whose parents we've met." If her parents didn't have the guys number then she can't be alone with him. If she wanted to be alone with him then she needs to make sure her parents can call him (and his parents) if they need to. It does nothing to restrict what she can and can't do but it ensures that the parents are not out of the loop. If she had told this guy that she needed his and his parent's phone numbers so her parents could call him he probably would have bolted or given excuses. And I have a very simple rule for that, "if a guy gives you excuses for why he shouldn't obey your rules then he's no good." One of the girls I dated was required to introduce me to her mother. Her mother was probably satan or a close relative. But, she understood why the rule was important. Her mom seemed evil but everyone knew it was out of love. In the end her mom was happy and we got to go out. A lot of times kids think the parents are just trying to control them but that's only because the parents aren't explaining why the rules protect the kids and don't actually restrict their behavior. Having to meet the mom in no way shape or form restricted who she could date and it kept the daughter safe.
i dont think you go what i said, but i'll try again, to make it clear daddy was a NATO Diplomat. mom was a drunk. she had a son who is 10 years older than me, i was adopted. so she never really liked or wanted me, i was "a mistake" i took that as an unplanned pregnancy, i only found out i was adopted a week before this christmas gone. (age 24) so she was always telling it was a mistake to adopt me. so much for motherly love. The party i was going to was friends of daddies, a party for the NATO Diplomat's children. So they can have a top level party without the worry of their teenage kids. when i say i lived a sheltered life, i mean just that, when we lived in DC, i was taken to the toilet by men with guns, in 1992 Nato Diplomat's children were terrorist targets, if we went out to eat, i was taken to wee by daddies securerity men, and i had to wee with the door open. my only real problem back then, was the dresses i had bought for me, they never had the nice colours or pretty lace that the other girls had. mom always said "she's not going dressed like a whore" i didnt even know what one was till i was 17 years old. i was 10 and i wanted to be a whore like the other pretty girls, they got the nicest dresses to wear. how innocent i was back then. i just turned 14 and i had no idea about sex, i never seen a naked male, i did see daddy wee once when i was 5 years old, and i seen my brother and his mates write their names in the snow when i was 4 and i remember them laughing at me when i wee'd down my legs and in my boots when i tried to write my name too. i even remember daddy telling me that boys had a special pen to write in the snow with, and i sent santa a letter asking him for a special pen and i'll write my next letter to him with it, if he gives me one. i got lots of pens that christmas, all different colours and lots of books to colour in. because this guy walked in bold as brass with me, they thought he was my date, because they let him in, i thought he was invited, i was pleased he spent so much time talking to me, i was just turned 15 and he was 22, and he was nice to me, he offered to take me home when i wanted to go back home, he told me how pretty i looked, how great my dress was, and how my hair looked in a side bun and the flower on the other side, balanced it all out. he kissed me once and told me that it was for being the prettest girl in the room, i backed away a little, i had never been kissed before, well daddy dont count huh? i got butterflies in my belly and he said sorry, took my arm and lead me to a seat and talked more. while taklking he put a hand on my thigh, and it excited me inside, but i didnt know why, he never did anything, just kept it there and squeezed my leg to make a point. then i was ready to go home, and he told me i'll never get a taxi now, so he'll take me home, that way he knows i'll be safe and he will make sure i get in the house before he drives home. sounded good to me, and the host seen us come in the door together, and leave together. and that was it. 10 years ago almost