John Fitzgerald Kennedy and the World Trade Centers

northpointaiki:

I am not in disagreement with any of your points, except one that you did not directly touch on.

I do not care about the rights of religions, races, regions, nations, peoples, or groups; I care only about the rights of individuals.

These individuals may be born in the free world, they may be born in the Islamic world, they may be born into a Christian family or a Hindu family or an Islamic family. I don't care -- they are still individuals.

I do not, and will not, accept the rule of Islamic law upon non-believers -- even if they were born of Islamic parents and even if they believed at one time.

Christianity, as various times in history, has also been set up as a theocracy. That was bad. We learned from our mistakes. We now enjoy the benefits of secular government. Unfortunately, our Muslim brothers are just now taking that step in cultural evolution. Expect a lot of bloodshed during this phase of their development. Hope only that this bloodshed does not involve advanced technology.

 

latehorn is on the ball!

 

Will, I have a good many thoughts and feelings about this, probably beyond the scope of this thread and forum, so I won't commandeer the resources. Just a couple of points.

I don't believe that Christianity was ever set up as a theocracy in the way that Islam was. I am talking less about history, where there was considerable overlap - the Papal/HRE wars were legion and exemplar - than about the theology of Christianity and its early church. This religion was a religion wholly unconcerned with mundane matters - in fact, coming from Mithrianism, I would argue, quite impossibly so. Islam, on the other hand, from its inception was a religion which, in its very theology, concerned itself with every aspect of the Muslim life, down to the infinitesimal details of one's day. Here, the ulamic theology and civil pronouncement are one and the same. Indeed, there is no such thing as "profane" in this world, and this is what I meant by Islamic theocracy. And I think this is what Lordo was speaking of. Again, a structural issue, not a substantive one. I've already shared my feelings on the latter's score.

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Regarding the individual, I hold some of the social theorists you mentioned elsewhere in high regard. However, I also mourn the loss of organic cohesion that is a part of traditional culture. Broadly, a distinction I find useful, gemeinschaft v. geselsschaft, or community v. society. In the former, though you do not have the level of individual autonomy that you do under a modern, industrial democracy, you at least have a sense of "wholeness," I guess I'd call it; of belonging, that is missing from our world. Each has a part based on one's unique contribution, interrelated, dependent upon, and influencing the other members of the community; one's individuality, in other words, is valued, in the unique gifts it lends towards the edification of the community as a whole.

Geselsschaft on the other hand, implies, to me, brownian movement - nothing truly unique, social cohesion is minimal, and although you have all the freedom that is possible under such a system, you have no sense of "belonging." Real world example is that any of us, with a modicum of brains and drive, can do what any of the rest of us do. And this has been afforded by modernity and its daughter, industrialization.

Suffice it to say that while I value modernity and the individuality it engenders, I also harbor some sense of loss from what it has wrought. I see the world dying from an environmental rapaciousness unmatched in human history; I see a pathological disregard for the needs of those less fortunate than myself. Not that there was ever an Eden. But, I think, within one's community, a connection to the ground you walked on.

But I am off the track of this thread. Enough said.

 

That could be another great thread. Or two.

 

Imagine that, a poll that is the complete opposite of a CNN poll. Hmm... Oswald was a Marine, an expert riffleman at that. I have no doubt that a Marine was quite capable of killing JFK.

What God, WMD's the tooth fairy, dinosaurs, area 51, or movies about mobsters have to do with this poll is beyond me.

 

He would have to raise from the dead to kill almost 2 dozen witnesses - and what would be his motivation?

 

MIA oswald had maggies draws, meant he was an average show at best. He never shot anyone and never was in any war. He was an outward marxist who served at a top secret navy base in japan which concerned itself with u2 flyovers in the soviet union. Now i dont know about you, but that would be like today having osama bin laden serving in the pentagon and preaching death to america. Come on people, you cant be that dense. Oswald was an agent of the intelligence community. 90% of any witnesses in dealay plaza died within 3 years after the assasination and most under very weird conditions. Even the house select committee on assasinations had to at least admit that the assasination was probably the work of 2 gunmen and one alone couldnt have done it.

 

As far as bush being behind 9-11, that is a big joke. Your talking about a plot that takes huge brains to do. Come on people THINKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. how the heck could bush have masterminded that plot lol. The president is a just a puppet, a figurehead. The military industrial complex rules and i dont think anything can change that for a while. This is reality, its how its been throughout history. The elite ruining our planets precious resources for their benefit and power while millions scratch and claw to even get food on the table. Imagine what sort of world we would have if everyone cared for everyone. It would be paradise

 

Troll much?

 

Holy Dead Thread Revivals Batman... It might be a year later, but Oswald still killed Kennedy.

 

George W. Bush killed JKF; Oswald masterminded the attack on the World Trade Centers

 

I'm still waiting for pingpong's earth shattering post where he proves that Oswald did not kill Kennedy. He promised it this past weekend and promised to post it. Nothin

 

Well at least he tried, which is more than I can say for the likes of AGS and others.