My Idea = Add 'banishment' to prison sentences.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by suncrafter, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. #1
    This is an idea for individual states to use... Judges should have the option to add 'banishment' when sentencing convicted criminals to time in prison. At the end of his time in prison a convicted felon must leave the state and is bard from ever retuning or risk going back to prison for life!

    The benefits are as follows:

    --- Keeps the criminals away from the victims.
    Victims of rapes and muggings will not need to worry (as much) about seeing their assailants again.

    --- Gets the guy away from his jerk friends and co-conspirators.
    Lets face it - many guys who are in prison are there because they had help and encouragement from stupid people they call friends. If they are forced to move to another state, they will no longer be influenced by those 'friends'.

    --- Would help to breakup criminal organizations.
    Whether we are talking about street gangs, drug cartels or the mob - it will be much harder for crime bosses to conduct organized crimes with half their boys banished from the state.

    What do you think?
     
    suncrafter, Feb 23, 2007 IP
  2. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #2
    sounds great except like half of criminals don't actually have "victims"

    it banishes those people away from their family
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #3
    I don't that this would apply to the ones who are in for just drug use. but come on, do you believe that half have no victim?

    I suppose someone beating you is a victimless crime...
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  4. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    somewhere around 50% of crime are drug crimes, arn't they?
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    As long as we can sterilize sex addicts and druggies who keep having illegitimate kids...
     
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    The question that pops into my mind is "Where would you banish them to"? I wouldn't want some child molester or rapist being sent to my state from NY or California etc.
     
    Caveman, Feb 25, 2007 IP
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    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #7
    What about cutting the head to all and every criminal that are proved 100% guilty?
    -More space in prison for those that are not 100%
    -Less taxes to feed these criminals
    -Less victim from recidivists
     
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    There's no where to banish prisoners too. No countries want rapists/murderers. Except maybe the middle east, since they already have a lot of those kinds of people already.
     
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    KingofKings Banned

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    #9
    Nice idea sun crafter... But it's like your kicking the criminals out of there homes.... If I was criminal that would suck... :p
     
    KingofKings, Feb 26, 2007 IP
  10. mcfox

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  11. Josh Inno

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    If this last one were seriously suggested in congress and I found out about it I would camp out on the steps of the capitol in peaceful protest.
     
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  12. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #12
    and just who would welcome them with open arms to thier state? or would you like to just find an island and put them all on it?
    the uk did that once, just ask any ozzy, you'll find the biggest crooks where the people sent to police them.
     
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    Why? If criminal psychopaths were lobotomized in such a way that their violent nature was removed, surely this would be a good thng?
     
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  14. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #14
    why not just lock them up for life?
     
    samantha pia, Feb 26, 2007 IP
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    #15
    Causing a person to no longer be themselves by the stricture of law is a crueler punishment than death, and cruel and unusual punishment is against the eight amendment to the constitution.

    A lobotomy is also, for the most part, an antiquated technique that is no longer used extensively, and for good reason.

    Further, the process of physically removing part of someone's brain is as permanent as the death sentence.
     
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  16. mcfox

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    #16
    That isn't how the law works, unfortunately. They get let out after serving a sentence then go on to re-offend. Get 'em early before they wreak further havoc.

    Yeah, yeah - a lobotomy as it used to be performed is antiquated but things have moved on - a more humane way to lobotomize them using modern methods would obviously need to be employed.

    Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about the rights of these people - they certainly don't give a f*** about the people they victimise.

    Think about it - imagine being able to eliminate half of all violent crime.
     
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  17. Josh Inno

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    So should child molesters also have their genitalia removed?

    Should people that steal have their hands cut off? What about liars having their tongues cut out?

    The accused and convicted have rights in America. By comiting crimes they have given some of those rights up, but the right to be one's self is NOT one that can be revoked by the government or any law. It is an inalienable human right. And frankly, if you don't care about the rights of others you are no better than those violent criminals you wish to persecute.

    I don't care if half of all violent crime were removed by your idea. The ends to not justify the means. And just because a technique can be done using more advanced methods doesn't mean that the technique hasn't, it's self, been left by the way side. trepanning to increase air flow to the brain, for example, is no longer considered a viable medical practice by the medical community. Nor is using leaches to draw out the blood to 'put the four bodily fluids in proper balance'.
     
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    #18
    These people are still human, they still have family.. they still have friends...
     
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  19. mcfox

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    I'm glad you brought this up - yes, they should have their bits chopped off - it would serve to bring an end to the perpetuation whereby some molested children grow up to be abusers themselves (around 1 in 8).

    Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult.
    American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry

    A National Institute of Justice study found "that childhood abuse increased the odds of future delinquency and adult criminality overall by 40 percent" (Widom, 1992).

    In addition, victims of child sexual abuse are 27.7 times more likely to be arrested for prostitution as adults than non-victims. (Widom, 1995).

    Consequences of child sexual abuse range "from chronic depression to low self-esteem to sexual dysfunction to multiple personalities. A fifth of all victims develop serious long-term psychological problems, according to the American Medical Association. These may include dissociative responses and other signs of post-traumatic-stress syndrome [sic], chronic states of arousal, nightmares, flashbacks, venereal disease and anxiety over sex or exposure of the body during medical exams" ("Child Sexual Abuse . . .," 1993).


    National Center for Victims of Crime

    I see nothing in these figures to persuade me that harsh and decisive action against the abusers would be an unwelcome step.

    That's just being silly.

    Violent criminals I wish to persecute? Are you for real? Persecute? These people are the scum of the earth - they cause more misery than the rest of the population combined and you are arguing for their rights and speaking of persecution! What about the victims?

    You wouldn't be saying that if your family were the subject of serious violent crime, would you? How about if a close family member were murdered by a criminal psychopath who had been released from prison - would you seek the death penalty?

    You're just being silly again but fyi, leeches are actually useful in medicine today. ;)
     
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  20. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #20
    maggots are also used to treat people too.
     
    samantha pia, Feb 26, 2007 IP