More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

This post addresses the best use of numbers available. I am using it....

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2389169&postcount=17

 

Well it's a matter of focus. If I wanted to name the biggest culprit (in America) it would be sugar, cigarettes, unclean needles, and unsafe anal sex.

I'm merely focusing on an issue....if clearly derived shows not of race necessarily but of culture and circumstance.

 

You are not and you know it. If you want statistics about violent crime in America you go to the source the United States Department of Justice. You don't go to a Census report and then try to deduce anything from some popcorn pepsi-cola fashioned incendiary and contradictory statistic you came up with in your own mind. If you want statistics on murder and who does it in America, broken down by race age and many more stats you go to the United States Department of Justice... they have every true stat on the subject you may need.

And their stats smash your invented stats to pieces.

Anyone reading this post: if you want the truth on the subject go to the United States Department of Justice and read.

 

Just wait until Gtech and his friends come back and claim that U.S. department of Justice is a communist organization serving liberal democrat terrorists.

 

So you truely think that hispanics in America have a lower murder rate (per 100k capita) than whites? You can't be serious on that....?

That was all a combination of the FBI, Bureau of Economic Analysis, Bureau of Labor Statistics and Census Bureau (from the links I provided) with just my mathematical breakdown. You haven't presented me with per capita rate of homocide on hispanics, whites and blacks. Do so, and calculate the numbers.


How can you smash my stats, when you don't provide the necessary stats to work with? Again, if you can find a different per capita murder rate (e.g 1.4/100k hispanic murder victims), then I'll concede to your point, but from what I have available it's not seemly harmless.

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On a side note, crime rates among every race fell.

Here's something to facilitate my info...from the United States Department of Justice.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hvvc00.pdf

http://ovc.gov/newsroom/2002/BJS02066.html

So rates have gone down. But then again, as I noted before they've gone down for everyone. When the economy is bad and drugs are out there, crime usually knocks on the door most full of poverty. Although I'm sure many other factors apply as well.
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Oh, what a cooked up question is this!!!???

In case you do not remember the premise of your own thread it went something like this:

The statistics on murder, it's victims and offenders are precisely kept within the pages, accessible to anyone mind you through the internet, of the United States Department of Justice. They are there, they are clear, they are concise. They also blow your misinformation to bits.

I urge anyone who wants to know the truth, devoid of spin, to simply seek the answers themselves at the United States Department of Justice.

IN effort to save face, or something similarly unnecessary, the motivation for which I cannot for the life of me understand, you now go and change the entire premise of your own thread to whether whites murder more folks or hispanics murder more folks per capita. A very weak attempt at recovery.

Rick, you do not need to recover. We have all been victim to our own bias and willingness to fall for cooked up stats to support our own agendas. These are fruitfall moments if one can learn from the experience.

Again, I strongly encourage you to let this go emotionally, and use that intellect with which God has blessed you. Seek the truth. Don't seek lies to support your bias. In this day and age there's plenty of every type of misinformation anyone could ever hope for on the net - that's not really what you want though. Not when you think about it.

The truth shall set you free.

 

Such statistics that are based on race, more or less meaningless without considering the social-economical conditions. For example the murder rate in Canada or Europe is lower than USA, does this mean that the "white" in Canada or Europe are much better people than "Whites" in America?

Crime rate is higher among the poor and because of immigrants have lower financial means, it is natural that they will have higher crime rate in those communities. To make a meaningful comparison, you should make a comparison among poor illegal immigrants, poor blacks, poor "white" Americans and poor legal immigrants.

Also in the same way that you find higher crime rate among these people, you will see that they are also victims in a higher percentage compare to the rest of population, even if most of the time they can not report the crime against them because of their fear of the law.

 

Provide the stats, deadcorn...don't just point in direction...and I'll change perspective.

You've made the premise of the investigation a matter of race. Remember post 14.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2386700&postcount=14

Till then I just spoke of illegal immigrants. I wanted to prove that your stats were not up to par. That they weren't resembling the numbers giving in each race. You more or less acknowledged that your data on white's aren't entirely whites.

You have provided stats to defend hispanics. I personally do not care for any race to defend vice within it. If the whites commit more serial killings, all whites are not to be blamed, but there has to be a level or reasoning on why such occurs. That's objective and non-bias. I apply that to all races, because I don't hold credence to their skin.

I provided information directly to your source to purposefully devoid your initial data on post 14. I did so. Now as I've said in post 13

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The whole time I've been truthful to what I know. I've used data from government agencies, even your own. To me it's not about winning this arguement...I really don't care.

To me (and this could be entirely to me), the information available looks like there could very well be truth to it. Now you don't have to acknowledge that, nor anyone else. Consider that an opinion of mine, not based on hatred or whatever. Based solely on what I find to be right.

I try not to 'psychologize' you, please don't do that to me. I'm sure to a point you may think I see reason in it (even if it doesn't follow your own).

 

Well, that wouldn't be a full picture of demographics or social-economic conditions...so on the merits of your point, no.

But I'm not imply any race of people is better (although I do think cultures are better than others...according to particular standards). I want to indentify why things happen. What policies within government and outside of government lead to escalations in problems.

Perhaps this is the implication of my thoughts.

I know who's at the top. Black Americans. But see, that's where I don't understand America. We're so PC, that people don't want to say there's a problem. One can even ask: Why are black people dying more than hispanic, even though their poverty levels are nearly even?

These are the questions I ponder. I think they're important and critical....

 

I already did. More to the point I told you where to study them yourself.

You throw all sorts of non-sensible stats around and, frankly, I grow tired of this.

But to reiterate, and again, please note I encourage you to study the stats yourself, they come from the United States Department of Justice, and I quote:

That's HISPANICS, Rick, not even your Illegal Aliens you started your bullshit thread with your bullshit statistics about.

I encourage anyone with the intellectual integrity to care about the truth to simply research this on your own. You obviously won't get the truth on this from Rick.

Seek the truth, and ye shall find it.

Oh, and Rick, you stated:

You really must get a grip. Hispanics are one of the proudest peoples I know. Proud of their heritage, of their skin color (quite a spectrum at that), and proud of their culture. And, get this - they are AMERICANS. The statistics provided by the United States Department of Justice for offenders in the dastardly crime of murder is for AMERICA - which includes your illegals... so what vastly smaller portion do you think encompasses your dreaded illegals? Eh? You are living in some alter universe where you actually believe that "hispanic ring in as whites or don't register into the census due to fear."

This is a complete fabrication. The fact is that as of 2003 the Bureau of Statistics decided to lump hispanics and whites together, not the hispanics out of any sort of "fear." LOL. But the stats are still there and easily accessible for anyone who wants to discern the truth, such as those same stats I already, and again now, do provide. They are housed under the category "ethnicity." Hence:

-United States Department of Justice

... A far cry from the vomit you've posted as truth.

Oh, and Rick, Hispanics are every bit the American that you are, boyo, that's why they are IN THE CENSUS!!!

You must not actually know any hispanics if you think they believe for one minute they are any less an American or person, or live in fear of their hispanic heritage.

Again, Rick, we are no longer talking about illegals, now you're discussing the Census. But, that's what you seem to think you can do so often without any accountability - subject jump. No - not with me.


Again, anyone who wants to know the truth can find it themselves at the United States Department of Justice.

Or you can keep on reading Mein Kampf.