Do you know any terrorist organization which is based...

Well, yeah...the fall of communism (or whatever people want to call it) stunned a lot political terrorism.
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I'm thinking the end of petro (as the main power influence) will have long-term benefits in decreased terrorism. Less financing of extreme teaching...primarily.

 

Don't forget that today's terrorists can be tomorrow's friends of the government. The great love of Republican party, the state of Israel is the result of actions by different Jewish terrorist organizations after the WWII.

 

Or friends of gworld, for that matter

 

I sometimes find it hard to believe that some people here aren't anti-semitic.

 

The IRA was not based on religious ideology. Check the history and what their actual cause was.

 

yeah the whole communist terrorist/freedom fighters sort of died down

I have found that there are many people who think anyone who is critical of Israel or the amount of AID we give them are labeled anti-smeitic

 

Perhaps there's an overuse of that word,...such is often the case of racism perceived by the NAACP.

But specifically in the case I use it...I was surrounded by a Union Family. I've went to many events provided by the Union. While I found them to be almost entirely liberals, and outwardly accepting...there's a culture of anti-semetism....from what I've seen.

I'm critical of anyone that speaks from one-side all too often. When I heard obvious anti-semetitic remarks in my youth, they all came from people that never spoke ill of the other side. I think anyone whom doesn't see the whole picture, nor acknowledges it, has prejudice in their disposition.

There are bad aspects of the Israeli government, and they're bad aspects of those whom oppose/hate Jews. Often the two collide in violence, and what I find sad is that people don't take each situation into context, and apply an equal standard.

 

I've found most who fit into this category actually are anti-semitic. Sooner or later, they slip and expose themselves for what they are.

 

I don't know who you are referring to but if you refer to my post, can you tell me how telling the truth is anti-semitic?

The history of Jewish organization fighting to establish the state of Israel by using terrorism is well document historical facts.

As you can see in the world of politics, terrorist groups can become governments and former terrorists can become prime minsters.
How you define different political groups is just dependent on your point of view and what is beneficial for you in that moment and in an ever changing world, these factors can change very fast.

 

Never a bad word. islamic terrorists are the only people in the world immune to gworld's tirades.

 

I was under the impression that many jews were liberals at least in NY and Miami. I wonder if they possess that liberal "culture of anitsemetism"?

The skinheads I grew up around had negative things to say about everyone

well that would be most conservatives on this board, if you listen them the muslims are devil spawn, the crusades were a good and just thing, and christians and jews have never done anything wrong

In additon the US has never done anything wrong, never exploited any other countries, never supported vicious dictators who opress there people etc. To them america is an innocent little baby that everyone is just jealous of.

Ask Gtech, d16 and chilium if the US every overthrew an elected leader of a country, and help to put in place a military dictatorship?

 

Remember I was just speaking of union liberals I've met...not all liberals.

As far as the jew liberal thing goes. My conservative friend whom thinks it's our moral obligation to protect Israel says (something to this amount):

They are a smart people, but they absorb a self-destructive idealogy. Their religion has a form of institutionalized guilt.
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Sometimes that's how I view liberalism. ^^^^ Guilts a reasonable feeling, it's just telling how people use it. Some act on their own guilt (and bless them),...while others feign that guilt on others.

Now personally, I don't know many jews and can't really comment on their person. If it was up to the internet I would think they're monsters, but the internet is for fools w/a bias heart. *overemphasising*

You must have not been born in a city....?

It appears the skinheads and KKK are now targetting illegal aliens ( from Mexico of coarse). I wish they would shut-the-fuck-up, as their involvement/reasoning discredits real concerns.

I can't stand racist fucks. It's one thing not wanting to act different to blend-in, it's quite another to want to kill people because of their skin.

Anyone...and I mean anyone... that looks at entire group of people without specifying difference in culture...isn't thinking correctly or treating people in a way that they deserve as humans.

I personally do not think highly of Muhammed's history, and I believe there are serious problems within many of the Muslim communities throughout the world. I would never support the wholesale violence on their communities, irregardless of the given culture and situation ie to say there has to be good reason to put innocent people in danger....I'm not idealist,...innocent people will die, but it can't be a goal...I'm absolutely morally against it.

I fuckin hate nukes. I wish there was an international accord to get rid of them all.

I wouldn't speak for them....they can speak for themselves.

The reasoning behind some of our activities is very stetchy at times. Often it seems completely immoral,....but I believe our government sometimes acts based on what they think are practicalities. Not that they should always do so (without a moral sense) or even do so with haste....but to live entirely like a 'good guy' is impossible in a world like this. Good-guys get fucked. And personally, I would rather have a bad-ass government that won't allow that.

Granted, I don't want them to over-do that position.

 

i really would like to see Gtech and the rest of bush supporters response to rick's post before gworld and AGS and more liberal people post. so if AGS and gworld hold off a bit i really appreciate it.
in particular i would like to know gtech and d16 opinion about rick's conservative friends,their support for israel, and his view about US international politics.
THANKS EVERY ONE.

 

The conversation is between Rick and ferret. I rarely take issue with Rick because I view him as an honest man and the voice of reason in this part of the forum. Additionally, Rick makes it very clear he cares deeply about our country. We don't always agree, but I have a great deal of respect for him and his views. While most of us (myself included) tend to play "gotcha" politics, Rick puts time, effort and rationale into his posts. There was a time I used to do that myself, but I've become cynical and long realized that it doesn't make a difference with people who are filled with hate.

Now, if you want me to comment on ferret's position...it's really just an opposite view of that which he seems to hold. That view, not unlike many here hold, that American can do no right, Christians and Jews can do no right, Israel is to blame for everything, etc. Similarities can be found on both sides of the fence.

To be honest, while you would like to hear more about the negativity, I'd like to hear more about the positive. As I recall, I don't think I've ever seen you stand up for your country here either, pizzaman. I've seen a lot of self-loathing on behalf of it. I don't know if loathing on behalf of one's country stems from a mental disorder or perhaps people that do such were abused as kids, but I find it awkward and strange behavior. Perhaps it's just a difference of home training. Standing up for your country doesn't mean you are a Bush supporter. Patriotism doesn't have a four year shelf life.

 

What does standing up for your country mean? Does it mean that if you were a German living in Germany during WWII, you would support Hitler and will be killing the Jews in concentration camps?

Our first responsibility is to humanity and standing up for what is right and trying so our country represent the same positive ideas. To defend the actions of unjust government is not patriotic, it is just plain cowardliness.

 

Traditionally anti-Semitic has been very strong in USA. Even after the WWII, being a Jew was as bad as being black or communist. Jewish people are educated and because of their suffering, they have natural tendency to identify themselves with the weak and oppressed which makes their intellectuals more of liberal and socialist than conservatives. Many leaders of different socialist movements had Jewish background. Many of ideas in the beginning of Israel state was formed in line with that time socialist ideas. You should make a difference between Jewish intellectuals and Jewish lobby groups that try to influence the US policy by influencing Republican party in favor of State of Israel. In my opinion the love of neo-cons and Republican party for Israel is more the result of their love for Jewish lobby groups money than really caring about Jews or Israel.

I am a friend to many Jewish people and mostly they are very nice people. You will meet some strange people among the orthodox Jews with their strange customs and religious traditions but they are not more crazy than any other fanatic religious groups.

 

It means something you wouldn't understand. It means standing up for it when people like you lie about it because you are too blinded by hatred.

That's the difference between you and I. I believe our country does stand for what is right, where you do nothing buy bash it repeatedly. You believe it's unjust to your buds, I believe it's justice to your buds. We differ. I believe fighting terrorists is a good thing, you believe it is bad. You believe letting al qaida terrorists roam the street is good, I believe it is bad (Jose Padilla). You believe Iran can do no wrong, I believe a country that repeatedly declares it's intention to commit genocide is NOT standing up for humanity. I agree with you, defending the actions of unjust governments is not patriotic, which is why I always wonder why you defend the most rogue of nations whose leaders commit the worst of crimes. Defending saddam, defending Iran's president in spite of his persistent calls to commit genocide. This is humanity to you?

Ask yourself this, gworld. In almost 5000 posts now, have you *ever* started a post about anything positive about America? Be honest, for once.

 

I forgot that you support the rape of teenage girls, murder of civilians including women and children, torture of prisoners and destruction of the Constitution. No wonder that you think that you are standing for the country. I just hope that there are more sensible people in the world than psychopaths like you.

 

Well gworld, I'm flattered that lying is the best you have to counter with. And there are people like you who believe being sensible means supporting terrorists and presidents who openly threaten genocide against other nations. These are the things you stand for and defend with vigor.

Equally, it's very insightful that terrorists are the only ones immune from your constant tirades.

 

The organisations which you have quoted are all linked to holy war or Jihad.Let me not harp on hamas and Alqiada as all know about their guiding scripts. If u see the organisation which are operating in Kashmir , almost all of them are offshoots of a religious organisation. Otherwise what are people of Afhanistan , Lebenon, Chehen doing their? . Why were people of other religions driven from that place . You can say the these are political issues, guided by religious sentiments