I used to run parties over in Cancun Mexico for spring break (woooooooo Spring Break!) and was over there for 3 months of the year 2 years on the trot, 1998, 1999. Anyway to cut a long story short I was getting it on with this American girl on one of our party nights, so we got inside one of the boats moored in the quay there. I was having a bang on her inside the boat and we got nobbled by the Mexican Police! I remember it vividly, one minute we are in the back of the police car on our way to the police station, the next minute I'm waving $200 at them, the next minute we are out of the police car and on our way back to the party area. The police are so corrupt there it's unreal lol. I also got locked up one night for fighting with a buddy outside "Fat Tuesdays" there, and you even have the option of buying your way out of jail or serving 3 days. My mate I was fighting with stayed in there for 3 days, I paid about 160 bucks and was out of there within 1 hour! The cell was about 10 foot by 10 foot and there were about 12 of us in there, it was a fucking nightmare lol.
I agree, Ferret. Personally, flush them all down the toilet. However, if we're talking law, mouthing an opinion steeped in hate ("God hates Fags") isn't actionable; saying "kill your neighbor - he's a fag" is, to my knowledge - it incites to specific action. The other difference, I think, is this: when your average pointed headed throwback is weeping over Hitler's death, he stands with a marginalized crowd of like losers. What I am concerned by is how much the average murder-inciting wahabist imam has an audience among young, dumb, disenchanted volunteers for death. If the KKK is censured by society at large, why is there not a similar backlash against speech such as: I have seen evidence that this isn't off mark. Again I ask - why is the muslim community not up at arms over such speech? It seems to me it could only stand to win by such strong censure.
Nice story.... I think the Mexican male culture has some sort of male bravado within...not that it's alien to America, but it's a bit different than most other cultures. A friend of mine comes from Mexico, but has lived here for 12 years. Even though he's college-educated, it seems like when ever there's some form of labor to be done, he acts in a very 'manly' like way. Instead of my asians friends whom try to think it out, he'll pick-up something incredibly heavy and not concern himself over his back. Now in my books he act rather foolishly...as I think there's several ways to get laborious things done. It's gung-ho for him, and about every other mexican immigrant I've met. My Costa Rican buddy says that's how it is with latin america. Showing you have power over a person is manly, and loyalties don't work all the same way. I must say I know for a fact there are some rather big cultural differences in the world...and some I admire more than others.
Oh mate if you ain't been to Cancun ya gotta go. It's ace. As long as you can wave a few dollars around you can get away with anything! Another classic over there was the Mexican Police fining drunk American Spring Breakers (wooooo Spring Break!) for taking a piss in public. These guys would try and have a piss discreetly around all the big clubs like Daddy-O and there would be a group of about 10 police waiting for them. Some of them paid up to 200 bucks in fines LMAO. The Mexican Police love Spring Break season mate lol .
I think you will be surprised how much support these marginalized crowd have in south and middle America, even if some of them like Gtech are too chicken to admit it. How do you know how much support this imams have? How much are you involved in those communities? We have a large community of Iranians in Vancouver including the son of former president of Iran. He bought a house here for 6 million dollars about 5 years ago (worth much more now) and he has many other investments too. The only thing that I see these people are concerned with, including those who work for Iran government but have their family here, is their questions about what is the latest model of MB, BMW, Lexus and competing with each other about who has the biggest house and best furniture. The situation of young people in Europe is very similar to what happened with black panthers in USA, it is not about religious beliefs(Religion is only away of expressing the dissatisfaction), it is about quite racism in Europe.
Too true mate, I spent 3 years in Holland working in bulb factories and the Dutch hate the Turks and Moroccans with a passion, even though they do all the shitty jobs the Dutch won't do. Of course we were more respected being British but I had many Dutch friends and I could gauge the situation quite well. I used to live in a tower block pretty much full of Moroccans and during a football match (could have been world cup qualifying) Morocco scored, there was so much noise I thought the building was going to fall down.
A death threat, hitler praising conspiracy? Say it ain't so! No excuses for your signs? Oh, wait, there are no excuses for them. They are of the same (and collaborative) scum as the ones I posted. Interesting who you take issue with and who you do not.
Well, isn't this a typical, but interesting twist. Would you ask the same of a Catholic priest? Who do I hear the supposed *atheist* defending, yet again? I don't believe you are as atheist as you'd like people to believe, gworld. Having participated in heated exchanges (but people don't realize we can handle each other - I don't mean that in a ferret sort of way though), other than the fact you'll never say a bad word about a terrorist, no matter what, another persistent theme is a highly noticeable pattern of defending Iran any time they come up. Just being observant. Something to think about. If you're intention is to be more transparent then you believe you really are, I might suggest a re-evaluation and new approach to mask the truth.
I don't know, there should be more moderate muslims voices heard, but then you see the reaction in general to muslims, some muslim congressman might swear in on a korah and its an outrage some mall shooter is muslim, from I what I read so far , doesn't really have bearing on the incident but look at people on this board lining up to basically say "typical muslim" yeah, they should but that whole GW "your either with us or your against us" attitude doesn't help there is a whole world of moderate muslims who "arn't with" GW's policies, but they might not have been "against us" , they might be sitting on the fence , or even think the extremists are nuts, but when they have to choose .....
And just to think - they migrated there "Legally." Me I'll take the amigos, illegally or not, anyday.
I was going to give this thread a miss, than saw this post. You say NSCN / NLFT of India are doing it on religious grounds. Thats BS. I have lived here all my life. So I know the ground realities. It is a separate state hood struggle (NSCN), and govt of india pussy footed around it for too long. All other terrorism in north east of India is an offshoot of NSCN troubles. There is no religious underpinnings to it. But for the last 15 years, the neighboring islamic country of bangladesh has done nothing to stop the immigration of their citizens to north east india. Most of the terror camps of ne india based terror groups are in islamic bangladesh. The systemic migration is aimed to destabilize the demographics of north east india, and almost all politicians are ignoring it coz thats a sizeable vote bank, when they get naturalized by various means. Let me name some terror groups of india Lashkar e toiba (islamic) Multa (islamic) Jaish-e-Mohammad (islamic) Hizb-ul-Mujahiddeen (islamic) NSCN (pakistan isi funded now) ULFA (pakistan isi funded now) NLFT (pakistan isi funded now) Many more Btw that wikipedia page has listed the facts about NSCN and NLFT in an incorrect manner. Read this http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/ajaisahni/Pink161101.htm I cant help but notice, there are so many islamic terrorist organizations. And I dont see many muslims come out openly against them. Another thing, if something happens in Iraq / iran/ middle east, why does muslim in every country including india gets pissed. Isnt it supposed to be love for your country first. Now for example, I am an Indian and Hindu, so if some bad ass country comes whipping, Nepal (another hindu country), I know hindus in India , wont come out in the streets throwing rocks and firing guns. Simply coz that is not my country, India is.
I don't know what we are discussing ? Is there any doubt that majority of the terroist around the world are guided by ISLAMIC learning. There may be other terrorist group but no one quotes any Religion or their fundamentals are not based on any religion. It may be just that majority people of that organisation belong to some other religious group. Can anybody name any terrorist organisation which derives its guidance from religion , other than Islamic ones.
There are crazy people from every faith, and also extremeists. Doesn't matter if you are muslim, catholic, etc.. I was watching the news the other day and a catholic family killed their 8yr old kid because he wasn't praying hard enough. Extremeists are in every faith and religion.
Actually, it matters quite a bit, as we often see people claim that "all" have "extremists" to dismiss the overwhelming variety and instances found in islam. Christian extremist - hands out tracts at the bus station, holding a sign that says "Jesus is Coming!" with a sidekick holding a mega horn reciting scriptures from the Bible. Usually went to a Christian based college. muslim extremist - well, we know what they do. Attended mohammad's school of explosives with honors. Yes, there is a difference.
I don't think that people who are blown up by IRA or abortion doctors who are killed by Christians will agree with you.