1 post = 1 reputation point

Discussion in 'Content Creation' started by ForumJoiner, Feb 8, 2007.

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  1. rochow

    rochow Notable Member

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    #21
    I didn't give you the red rep. When I give red I always put my name. :cool:

    Reputation I believe is more for "they are good and contributing to DP", not "they are doing what I want". I agree when you say they should lose rep if they are rude or impolite.

    What you are basically doing is giving a green for posting in your forum. So if I don't post in your forum, does that mean I should get a red from you?

    Your forum isn't the community!! :)

    Just because you haven't found it doesn't mean it's not there ;)
     
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  2. scart3r

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    #22
    Sorry, have to disagree with ForumJoiner. You are effectively buying people's service for greens. Sure, you can give someone a green if you are happy with what they said, but not as a payment. Think this should be banned.

    Ingenious Idea, but I don't think that it's very honest.
     
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  3. rochow

    rochow Notable Member

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    #23
    Couldn't agree more.

    Also noted that a majority of the people taking part are new, and all of them have 1 bar of rep ;)
     
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  4. ForumJoiner

    ForumJoiner Active Member

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    #24
    I'm sorry if I implied it was you. It wasn't. I simply does not agree that particuar post deserved that.


    Of course not. That green is a reward for those who help me. It's not mandatory for anyone to help me.


    How about this: I make an useful post (like giving the solution to a member's problem). That member like the solution but doesn't come back to my post, simply because he forgets, or because he's busy or for whatever else reason.
    So, I added something to the community, but my reputation stays the same.
    Is it fair? From my point of view, it's not.


    It is true. At least, I offer them something in return. I'm sure you're familliar with "Spread the word about our site" or "Tell to a friend", where you do make them a favor and they don't do any to you.

    For instance, I received many help in the past from forums. I'm willing and giving help back when I know how to answer the questions. But if I ask for a favor, I want to be able to "pay" imediately. Are there any other incentives available here? By the way, at least I hope I'm doing this in the proper section of the forum.

    At the very moment I'll see this banned officially, I'll stop this action.
     
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  5. rochow

    rochow Notable Member

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    #25
    If anything it is basically a moral issue

    Maybe it's just me - but I think bribery using greens is a complete mis-use of the entire system
     
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  6. scart3r

    scart3r Notable Member

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    #26
    That's the thing! You can't just be helpful to people just to get green! Sure - everyone wants to have loads... but that shouldn't be your main goal for being here. If it is then you are in the wrong place.

    It's nice when people think of you and give you nice rep, but it is also as valuable to appreciate the kind of advice you are able to contribute, people that you meet and community that we build here at dp.

    It seriously can't be all about the green....

    And, feel free to keep this open at the moment - it's prob here because a mod just hasn't seen it yet.
     
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  7. rochow

    rochow Notable Member

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    #27
    I'm not in a hurry to report it - I got so many infractions last night I'm going to stay away from the mods for a while! :D

    I think it should be reported though - the mods can have the final say on who is right or wrong, and whether the thread should remain open or closed
     
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  8. ForumJoiner

    ForumJoiner Active Member

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    #28
    No, I'm not here for the green. I do have a problem with the green system, though. Right now, I have 6 reputation points. I started with 10 and, I don't know how, I received 5 - and 1 +. If this reputation will not affect any of my actions, I wouldn't have any problem with it. But, posting in some area depends on my reputation.

    I can't even see what I did wrong for that 5 -. The reputation history displays only 2 records ( one - and one +). It's like receiving a ticket at home from police, but without any proof or any place / infraction mentioned. When I make mistakes I apologies for them and I try not to repeat them. But if I'm only penalized, I get frustrated. By the way, only on some forums there is a reputation system. On others, there is explicit ban for certain mistakes.

    I have nothing against the procedure and I'll conform to what mods will say. I will not be upset even if all who don't agree with me will take all 6 remaining reputation points. I would prefer though, if the rules didn't say explicitely so far that I wasn't allow to do that, at least not to be blamed for breaking an non-existing rule.
     
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  9. rochow

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    #29
    The reason is because you received red rep from someone who has alot of green rep.

    So you get upset, or don't you get upset? You can't have both! :p
     
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  10. ForumJoiner

    ForumJoiner Active Member

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    #30
    Oh, so that's why I lost 5 points! If I received -5 for that post, maybe
    scart3r is right: maybe I don't belong here.

    I get upset when I don't understand why I'm penalized. I don't want loads of greens. I just want not to be conditioned by them. Which, from what I can see, it's not going to happen soon.

    I'm sorry if I upset anyone with my idea (the topic's title). It simply wasn't my intention.
     
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  11. scart3r

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    #31
    I am sorry if you think I was saying for you to leave the forums! Not my intention at all! I think you obviously have some ingenious ideas for you to come up with this one - it's just not really the right kind of thing to do though. Would love you to hang around and share some of your ideas - that's what builds a bigger and better community. It's not that I don't want you here - just disagreed with this thread ;)
     
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  12. arvind_srivastava

    arvind_srivastava Well-Known Member

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    #32
    I completely agree with what my freind "Rochow" has to say.
    We are here to help each other and not to exchange green rep's from other members for services or trades that we do (even if they don't provide us with a rep point for the help we provide - it's ok as what we offer as help might not be of any help to him/her).

    Anyhow I feel that some senior member passing by your thread has given you a red "reputation" (I guess from now on you will stop trading "green" rep for services from other fellow members)

    Also, I apologise if I am somehow hampering your so called prosperous "business".
    (We do want you here - I can't say about the others but I myself want you to be here --- Just raising my voice to what I see is not in the best interest of the forum.)

    Al
     
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    #33
    You are penalised because of exactly what we agreed on earlier:
    - Green if you like their post
    - Red if you don't

    I'm still not going to give you a red, you have already had a dose of reds, me giving you one won't make you "learn" any better - which is part of giving someone a red, tell them why they got it and who by so they can discuss it with you if need be
     
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  14. ForumJoiner

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    #34
    If at least 2 experienced users believe that I’m wrong in giving 1 point for 1 post and nobody believes it’s fair to do so, then I will officially end this system here. I will reopen it only if the mods will think it’s okay and if those who are contrary will agree to the mods.

    Thank you. I also don’t want to to believe that I’m here for the green. I’m here to give back help, to make new friends and to promote my sites (in this order). In time, I’ll hope you’ll see I really mean it. For now, I’m too … green ;-) to be able to prove that.
     
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  15. scart3r

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    #35
    I think that reds are sometimes a whimpy way out. I haven't redded you, 'cause I thought we could just talk about it. I really hope you will hang around, and not let this thing make you shy of dp :) We don't all bite.

    I don't think that it's fair to just jump on the band wagon and give someone a red just 'cause you don't like what they say. Give them a chance and if they turn out to be wankers then red away :p But give them a chance to check things out first.
     
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    #36
    Reds (especially from the soft cocks which don't write their name! or even worse, put someone elses) are the easy way of saying I don't agree. Unless they are used correctly all the do is stir stuff up, not solve anything.

    I've given someone red before (they still kind of advertised their site...) when they weren't advertising as such... complicated, but nevermind. Point is you should talk and try to reach an agreement, and if you can't THEN red rep them
     
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    #37
    I believe this is the actual spirit of reputation. Only it didn't happen to me in that case. That person was so upset on my post, it almost called me "idiot" and gave me -5 right away. It's not the first time it happend, from what I saw on other posts related to him, and I believe he is more concerned about penalizing than about correcting. However, his reputation is very high, which is another reason for me not to trust this reputation system.
     
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    #38
    Now that's what I say

    "Making one find his/her fault without going for severe punishments"

    Thanks "Rochow" and "scart3r" for getting him back on track.
    Do you two too require "green" reps (I guess we had enough debate about it and the system);)
    lolll
    Also wanted to add that I too didn't provide a "red" to you.(Better to correct someone than to punish for his/her small mistakes):)

    Al
     
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    #39
    I don't mean to hijack this thread but really,

    The reputation system isn't meant to work like that. Sometimes, I just think life would be easier without it :p. Too much hassle
     
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    #40
    I would agree entirely if none of the areas on the site would be conditioned by reputation.
     
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