Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents

they fired, no warning given, they are in the right place.

 

Drug dealers 1=Border Agents 0

Hurray for the team!

 

That's what I would have done. What they did in shooting him was right.

 

what they did was illegal, thats why thier ass is in jail

 

Their ass is in jail because three jurors were forced into a guilty plea and the prosecutor had it out for them.

As far as legalities goes...

Sodomies illegal in most states, but I don't see half the gay population in jail. Prosecutors are smart enough not to waste their time. They're [prosecutors] suppose to put effort in stopping the worst of things. Shooting a drug dealer isn't the worst of things...it's probably the best.

 

its been Repealed in most states, so you can carry on without fear of being caught now.


United States Sodomy Laws, state by state

In the first column, an M indicates misdemeanor, F is felony.

the laws listed here are as they stood in 1995

ALABAMA

M 13A-6-65,Sexual Misconduct, 1 year/$2000

Does not apply to married couples.

ALASKA Repealed effective 1980

ARIZONA

M 13-1411, Crime Against Nature, 30 days/$500

M 13-1412, Lewd and Lascivious Acts, 30 days/$500

ARKANSAS

M 5-14-111, Sodomy, 1 year/$1000,
same sex only

CALIFORNIA Repealed effective 1976

COLORADO Repealed effective 1972

CONNECTICUT Repealed effective 1971

DELAWARE Repealed effective 1973

FLORIDA

M 800.02, Unnatural and Lascivious Act, 60 days/$500

GEORGIA

F 16-6-2, Sodomy, 1 to 20 years

Upheld as to homosexuals on the grounds that there is no fundamental federal
constitutional right to "engage in sodomy." Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186
(1986).

M 16-6-15, Solicitation of Sodomy, 1 year/$1000

HAWAII Repealed effective 1973

IDAHO

F 18-6605, Crime Against Nature, 5 years to life

ILLINOIS Repealed effective 1962

First state to repeal sodomy laws, in 1961.

INDIANA Repealed effective 1977

IOWA Repealed effective 1978

KANSAS

M 21-3505, Sodomy, 6 months/$1000, same sex only

KENTUCKY

Held unconstitutional by state Supreme Court 1992. Commonwealth v. Wasson

LOUISIANNA

F 14.89, Crime Against Nature, 5 years/$2000.

Held unconstitutional by Orleans Parish Court, appeal pending.

MAINE Repealed effective 1976

MARYLAND

F 27-553, Sodomy, 10 years

F 27-554, Unnatural or Perverted Sexual Practices, 10 years/$1000

Found not to apply to noncommercial, hetrosexual activity in private.
Schochet v. State, 1990.

MASSACHUSETTS

F 272-34, Crime Against Nature, 20 years

F 272-35, Unnatural and Lascivious Acts, 5 years/$100-$1000

MICHIGAN

F 750.158, Crime Against Nature, 15 years

Held unconstitutional as applied to private, consensual adult behavior.
Michigan Organization for Human Rights v. Kelly (Wayne County Circ. Ct.
1990), no appeal taken, only applies to Wayne County. Held consitutional by
Michigan Court of Apeals (People v. Brashier) 1992, effective outside of
Wayne County. Decision is needed from the Michigan Supreme Court.

MINNESOTA

M 609.293, Sodomy, 1 year/$3000

Minnesota's law also prohibits sex between humans and birds.

MISSISSIPPI

F 97-29-59, Unnatural Intercourse, 10 years

MISSOURI

M 566.090, Sexual Misconduct, 1 year/$1000, same sex only

MONTANA

F 45-5-505, Deviate Sexual Conduct, 10 years/$50,000, same sex only

NEBRASKA Repealed effective 1978

NEVADA Repealed effective 1993

NEW HAMPSHIRE Repealed effective 1975

NEW JERSEY Repealed effective 1979

NEW MEXICO Repealed effective 1975

NEW YORK

Held unconstitutional by state Supreme Court 1980, People v. Onofre

NORTH CAROLINA

F 14-177, Crime Against Nature, 10 years / discretionary fine

NORTH DAKOTA Repealed effective 1975

OHIO Repealed effective 1974

OKLAHOMA

F 21-886, Crime Against Nature, 10 years

OREGON Repealed effective 1972

PENNSYLVANIA

Held unconstitutional by state Supreme Court 1980. Commonwealth v. Bonadio

RHODE ISLAND

F 11-10-1, Crime Against Nature, 7-20 years. Includes "ordinary extramarital
intercourse."

SOUTH CAROLINA

F 16-15-120, Buggery, 5 years/$500

SOUTH DAKOTA Repealed effective 1977

TENNESSEE

M 39-13-510, Homosexual Acts, 30 days/$50, same sex only

TEXAS

Found unconstitutional by state Court of Appeals, England v. Dallas, no
appeal taken. Effective 1994 with the dismissal of Morales v. State.

UTAH

M 76-5-403, Sodomy, 6 months/$1000

VERMONT Repealed effective 1977

VIRGINIA

F 18.2-361, Crime Against Nature, 5-20 years

WASHINGTON Repealed effective 1976

WEST VIRGINIA Repealed effective 1976

WISCONSIN Repealed effective 1983

WYOMING Repealed effective 1977

D.C. Repealed effective 1993

 

Oh, so you could bend over next time I meet you.....

 

They are border agents with couple of months of training and not 007 with right to kill.

There are many questions in this case that you don't seem to notice. For example why didn't they report the shooting as they are supposed to do? Why did they tempere with the evidence? Honest people and specially law enforcement agents don't start with evidence tempering if they have nothing to hide. For example, are you sure these agents didn't know this guy and the fact that he is a drug dealer and they shoot him because they wanted to steal his drugs? I don't claim to know all the facts about this case but it is very hard for me to believe that 2 border agents will get convicted in an American court for shooting an illegal immigrant if there was not very solid evidence of their wrong doing.

 

They weren't. 3 juror were forced into a guilty plea.

And they weren't new either. One was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in March 2005.

 

ok shooting them in legs, shooting a gun out of there hand or whatever tv fantasy you picture don't happen in real life

When someone is shooting at someone, they are intending to kill them. Law enforcement is trained to shoot at the body, because it is the biggest target. So when someone shoots the intent is to kill, although many times the person shot doesn't die, or sometimes the cops miss.

So it better be a justified killing, killing someone for running is not reasonable, in my opinion and in the laws opinion.

lol, so selling drugs should be capital crime, with the cop doling out Judge Dread style punishments now

 

How do you force 3 jurors to guilty verdict?

 

This is correct, at least from my experience. There is no "halfway." The presumption goes both ways: If you draw, you intend on putting someone down, whether you are a subject or a cop. Cops presume when someone draws, they aren't bluffing, and when cops draw, they aren't either.

 

Cops shoot to kill. More often than not, its a good thing. In this case, I'm glad we have cops like this protecting us.

 

Thanks for speaking for the law...Judge Judy.

The stories fairly long...According to TJ Bonner(President, National Border Patrol Council) , the penalty for not reporting a weapon being fired was/is a five day suspension. Not necessarily legal recourse.

Although what happened to the supervisors...well, they were fired. That's it.

Then you have to take in account what Aldrete-Davila's said in his memo:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4141562

All information goes against this initial assertion, even those whom testified against the agents say the shots were fired when he was heading back to Mexico. So his story is BS right from the beginning. The agents asserted that he didn't seem to limp away into the van, and they thought he wasn't hit at all. So you got multiple people testifying that shots went off at one time, and you got the drug dealer saying otherwise.

Solid perspective on your part, Judge Judy.

 

I don't know the details of this particular case. I do know that most cops I know are good people, doing a job that absolutely blows, in the equivalent of a battlefield, on a daily basis. Given the violence I personally witnessed in Chicago - I stopped several (3) muggings in progress, lived through my wife being held up, gotten cold cocked from behind, seen punks spit on passenger's faces on the L (and conductors doing zip about it - I got involved, and the weak little puke drew a gun on me), seen somebody blown away, their body sprawled across a drugstore front window...and on and on, and I am just a random guy - given this, the level of professionalism I see among the CPD, as one example, astounds me.

 

until you are shot for reaching for your driving permit in the glove box when a cop see's something shinny and thinks that the coke can was a gun you were reaching for.

 

shot in the ass while facing the cop?

 

Speaking from experience?


Put yourself in their shoes. Don't make any sudden moves and don't give them a reason to think their lives are in danger, and yours wont' be either.

Who keeps a drivers permit in the glove box? There is no reason to be reaching for the glove box.

 

i put my purse in the glove box, and lock myself inside my car, it might be ok for guys to have a wallet in their ass pocket, but girls tend not to have pockets and are more at risk than guys from guys.

but it's cool, just shows how you think one sided and cant see the wood for the tree's

 

Must be some pretty big glove boxes where you live to be able to fit a womens purse in one. I can barely fit my car owners manual in mine, that and a mini umbrella.

So again, are you speaking from experience here? Are you saying that some cop popped a cap in your ass because you made a reach for the glove box?