Some books can provide a good understanding of one topic but not another and so other books have to be used. So these books that called Jews and Christians apes obviously had a real good section covering another topic. By the way what was this so called book? Do you have a copy?
One word GTech- DENIAL!!! Please point me to a referance in the Quran which makes a clear statment about Jews and Christians being apes and pigs, a clear statment not just a muddled intrpretation
The quran, or the hadiths? Still working on a denial strategy? Shouldn't good muslims beleive that Jews and Christians are pigs and apes? That's what the quran, the hadith, and clerics say.
I did that. The source I posted is complete with references. But you'll deny it, I'll dig them out (again) and then you'll use the "out of context" card, right? Come on, I know the game. I agree, you are in denial. If you are this ashamed of islam, to practice such weak taqiyya, why not convert to something else? Are you ashamed that your religious scriptures say these things? Or are you seeking to suggest they don't, because you are embarrassed?
Are you trying to say that you condemn the rape and killing of civilians by a group of Americans (I will not call them soldier because those kind of criminals are only soldiers according to Gtech and his friends)? Since you are known to be dishonest and have a bad habit of posting to your own stupid posts instead of my posts, I am posting the link to my post which you are calming that supports terrorists. Sad day for America I invite everyone to look at my post and learn the truth about it since I still stand behind that post and it is interesting that Bush administration finally had to surrender to US supreme court and charge this person which I posted was the right thing to do from the beginning. So dishonest Gtech do you have any more lies and forgery to support your hate ideology?
GTech why have you been posting on other threads that you are dealing with nuts that want muslims to take over the Uk and are angry that word got out about it!!! Which nuts are these? please let us all know!!!
This is an oldie, but a goodie. Who can say "oops!" ? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44543 Doh! Forgot to dhimmi down the quran for us dirty kaffir! Heads will roll
Please learn how to play mind games if you want to play them. Is this the refrance!!! That proves the Quran calls Jews apes does it?! 'there must have been...' Get a grip GTech and stop resorting to posting links to refrences which can barely hold water just to prove a point-which even you know can't be proved .
The difference between us there is, you convicted them in your own mind without them having a trial. But, as people will see in your link where you sought sympathy for an al qaida terrorist, you demanded a trial for him. So, in summary, terrorists are innocent without a trial and you support al qaida members in this position, where as soldiers are guilty without a trial. But then you are not an American, nor do you ever have anything good to say about America. Actually, my post had the URL. The dishonesty is yours. Yep, you started a post seeking sympathy and support for an al qaida terrorist. Have you ever started a post seeking sympathy for a soldier (not an al qaida one)? Nope, didn't think so Now, more than ever, would be a great time for you to actually say something bad about terrorists. Probably not though, huh?
Overwhelming?! that a bit of an understatment don't you think? Someone saying that they think a particular verse refers to Jews doesn't exactly make it overwhelming. Try harder
You mean you didn't read the initial post, complete with external references to MEMRI and quoting the quran directly? Deep denial, isn't it? Are you saying the quran does not refer to Christians or Jews as apes and pigs (in any variation of the names ape/pigs)? We need a clear answer on this, so I can question your integrity.
Oh I read the whole thing-and I still stand by what I said, There is no refrance to Jews or Christians as apes or pigs in the Quran. There, I think thats a clear answer, now you can 'question my integrity on this'....
just how far right of heritage foundation are you http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/em1019.cfm
Here's some more denial: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/007.qmt.html 007.166 YUSUFALI: When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." PICKTHAL: So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed! SHAKIR: Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html 002.065 YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." PICKTHAL: And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! SHAKIR: And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html 005.060 YUSUFALI: Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" PICKTHAL: Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. SHAKIR: Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/033.smt.html Book 033, Number 6440: Ibn Mas'dd reported that Umm Habiba said: 0 Allah, enable me to derive benefit from my husband, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and from my father Abu Sufyan, and from my brother Mu'awiya. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to her: Verily, you have asked Allah about the durations of life already set, and the steps which you would take, and the sustenances the share of which is fixed. Nothing would take place earlier than its due time, and nothing would be deferred beyond that when it is due. So, if you were to ask Allah about your safety from the torment of Hell-Fire and from the torment of the grave, it would have been better for you. A person said: Allah's Messenger, what about those apes and swine which suffered metamorphosis? Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Verily, Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, did not destroy a people or did not torment a people, and let their race grow. Apes and swine had been even before that (when the deniers of truth were tormented and suffered metamorphosis). This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Sufyin through another chain of transmitters but with a slight variation of wording. Same thing in US islamic schools. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5426633
can you tell us where do you see yourself politicaly so you don't misrepresent conservetive or republican parties
Dishonest Gtech strikes again: Are you still going to continue with your lies or are you going to claim that he is not guilty because he pleaded guilty and didn't have trial?